We're clearly at a point where this country cannot stay together (minimum wage, salary)
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I'm with 60sfemi,....now that we have all blown off some steam, let's about forget about all this and work together to save the greatest country on earth....!
This too shall pass, but now that the country has been legally allowed to be bought (since corporations can now pay unlimited funds into political parties) and paid for, it could be too late for ALL THE WORKING MIDDLE CLASSES regardless of our political idealogy. It will be a class war, not a right or left issue from here on out. Thats sad.
Certainly not. I want a section of the country that remains true to the vision of our founding fathers, members of my culture one and all. It's you who have strayed from the path of the signers of the constitution. The United States is EXACTLY like the founders intended it to be. They didn't want one faction to be determining how it should be.....not even if that particular faction agreed with some of them!
What I want is freedom. That you have....because we are a UNITED country. The freedom promised by the founders and userped by the democratic party.Thats a load of garbage, right wing ranting...it has NO MEANING. I also want protection from that self-same party.What ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.....we don't even carry guns! We want everyone to get along, we put flowers in the guns of the national guards, we marched against intolerance and wars....You hardly need "protection" from us "Make Love not War" hippies for heaven's sake! We all need protection from this government of yours. It is YOUR government as well. The only difference between you and I is I know this.........you don't. You think you need protection from me. How pathetic.
Pathetic.....you are the ones with unlimited caliber armaments! Rocket launchers and armour piercing bullets....and thats only the weapons you give your children! Can't imagine what you have out in the shed!~
No, they were good socialists, just like mr obama. It really isn't all that difficult to discern the differences. So no, your analogy isn't very good. I suggest some study on your part in this area. It's really quite fascinating. Do you equate the "socialists" of East Berlin to ANYTHING that has ever been suggested by anyone other than right wing conservative anti immigration policies such as in Arizona and their borders and fences and guards!
Classical liberal governments like the one the founding fathers envisioned with a weak central government that interferred with it's citizens very little with most of the responsibilities of governing at the state and local levels, where democracy works best anyway. Hmmmm, classical "liberal" goverenments like the founding fathers invisioned.....hmmmmm!
Socialist/communist regimes are very similar to the one envision by mr obama and, apparently, you that want an all powerful central government that restricts the freedoms of it's citizens. This is also a trait of another form of socialism, national socialism. You would know the national socialist party as the nazi party.
What EXACTLY are the freedoms that our "all powerful" central government is trying to restrict? No one ever seems able to actually vocalize the specific freedoms! Freedom of speech? Obviously this site is still "allowed"....Freedom to bear arms?...nope, you guys all could outfit the National Guard units in your states from your arsenals out in the back 40.....Please, tell....what freedom are you in particular...or your fellow citizens losing????
What EXACTLY are the freedoms that our "all powerful" central government is trying to restrict? No one ever seems able to actually vocalize the specific freedoms! Freedom of speech? Obviously this site is still "allowed"....Freedom to bear arms?...nope, you guys all could outfit the National Guard units in your states from your arsenals out in the back 40.....Please, tell....what freedom are you in particular...or your fellow citizens losing????
IMO, we are not losing freedoms as much as we are over regulated.
Seems to me the goverment wants to control most everything.
Sounds like East Berlin, they were a bunch of fanatic conservatives as well.
What?!? They were behind the Iron Curtain... you know... SOCIALISTS. Living conditions were so abysmal under socialist rule that they had to trap their residents in with an armed guard patrolled WALL ... the Berlin Wall.
I live in freakin Texas....what could be more conservative than that! Yet many, many liberals are moving here and we will eventually change the voting patterns if they stop the illegal redistricting....but here we come none-the less. People don't move to where the politics are the same...People move for opportunity, families, weather or a host of other reasons. Politics are ver low on the radar.
If you are successful you will only have to move on to other areas that provide economic growth because liberal/leftist economic theory tends to produce..........places like california.......where people are moving from in droves.
There is a reason places like the north and california are now economic basket cases and places like texas in particular and the south in general are doing quite well in producing jobs. Time for you to do a rethink. Socialism doesn't work. Your culture doesn't work.
This is why we need borders to keep your culture from harming mine.
William Voegeli
The Big-Spending, High-Taxing, Lousy-Services Paradigm
California taxpayers don’t get much bang for their bucks.
In 1956, the economist Charles Tiebout provided the framework that best explains why people vote with their feet. The “consumer-voter,†as Tiebout called him, challenges government officials to “ascertain his wants for public goods and tax him accordingly.†Each jurisdiction offers its own package of public goods, along with a particular tax burden needed to pay for those goods. As a result, “the consumer-voter moves to that community whose local government best satisfies his set of preferences.†In selecting a jurisdiction, the mobile consumer-voter is, in effect, choosing a club to join based on the benefits that it offers and the dues that it charges........
..........It’s not surprising, then, that an intense debate rages over which model is more satisfactory and sustainable. What is surprising is the growing evidence that the low-benefit, low-tax alternative succeeds not only on its own terms but also according to the criteria used by defenders of high benefits and high taxes. Whatever theoretical claims are made for imposing high taxes to provide generous government benefits, the practical reality is that these public goods are, increasingly, neither public nor good: their beneficiaries are mostly the service providers themselves, and their quality is poor. For evidence, look to the two largest states in the nation, which are fine representatives of the liberal and conservative alternatives...........
................One out of every five Americans is either a Californian or a Texan. California became the nation’s most populous state in 1962; Texas climbed into second place in 1994. They are broadly similar: populous Sunbelt states with large metropolitan areas, diverse economies, and borders with Mexico producing comparable demographic mixes. Both are “majority-minority†states, where non-Hispanic whites make up just under half of the population and Latinos just over a third..........
..............What might interest Tiebout is that while California and Texas are comparable in terms of sheer numbers, their demographic paths are diverging. Before 1990, both states grew much faster than the rest of the country. Since then, only Texas has continued to do so. While its share of the nation’s population has steadily increased, from 6.8 percent in 1990 to 7.9 percent in 2007, California’s has barely budged, from 12 percent to 12.1 percent.
Unpacking the numbers is even more revealing—and, for California, disturbing. The biggest contrast between the two states shows up in “net internal migration,†the demographer’s term for the difference between the number of Americans who move into a state from another and the number who move out of it to another. Between April 1, 2000, and June 30, 2007, an average of 3,247 more Americans moved out of California than into it every week, according to the Census Bureau. Over the same period, Texas saw a net gain, in an average week, of 1,544 people. Aside from Louisiana and Mississippi, which lost population to other states because of Hurricane Katrina, California is the only Sunbelt state that had negative net internal migration after 2000. All the other states that lost population to internal migration were Rust Belt basket cases, including New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Michigan, and Ohio.
This too shall pass, but now that the country has been legally allowed to be bought (since corporations can now pay unlimited funds into political parties) and paid for, it could be too late for ALL THE WORKING MIDDLE CLASSES regardless of our political idealogy. It will be a class war, not a right or left issue from here on out. Thats sad.
You are aware corporations also fund the democratic party as well. During the last election mr obama had more money than god. By some estimates he could gleen somewhere between 700 mill and 1 billion for his 2012 election campaign.
IMO, we are not losing freedoms as much as we are over regulated.
Seems to me the goverment wants to control most everything.
If you question that, start a business.
Again, some people want to paint every business with the same brush. Are you an "independent contractor?" Are you a small business with fewer than 25 employees? Are you a small business making less that 250,000 a year? Are you a middle size business of 100 people making 500 grand a year? Are you a mutli national corporation employing thousands with billions in profits??? It makes quite a lot of difference. Obama has been working on trying to loosen regulations and taxing to increase hiring since he got into office, but should the oil spills be allowed to go unregulated, should the coal industry be allowed to pollute at will? should the mining companies continue to be able to have cave in's? Should the mega banks be allowed to continue to bundle bad mortgages? I think not! We are NOT over regulated. Many companies don't have NEARLY enough regulattion. Is is ungainly and unkempt and out of control because the rules and regulations on businesses is constantly changing and morphing into a ridiculous tangled mess after decades and decades of left/right politics. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT....so how do we get our politicians and lawmakers to really make some change about that? I don't have the answers either.
Why, because most of us served at one time or other or the fact we own all the guns?
if you are poor, middle class or undereducated....you probably served....it doesn't have anything to do with being a conservative.
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Oh well, poor you!
