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This is why I think the 2014 election is potentially going to lame-duck Obama. There are a lot of young voters that are going to start getting this bill while trying to stay afloat in this economy that will be because they never paid attention.
I have some 25yo friends that voted Obama but complain about how hard they have to work and how their friends don't work etc etc. It's going to be interesting to watch.
I worked with a lady once who could not afford health care. She had the hives. Because she wasn't poor enough to be on Medicaid, and did not have health care, she put a little calamine lotion on it, and in a week or so, the hives went away.
A year or so later, she had begun working for a company who provided health insurance for her, and she again got the hives. This time, however, she went to the walk in clinic and had almost $300 worth of "tests" done. She also walked out having had a steriod injection and with three prescriptions for medication (including one for cymbalta, to help her with her "anxiety").
She had a very bad reaction to the steriods, which caused her to have an inflammation of her liver. She went back to the emergency room and received prescriptions for four additional medications to treat the liver problem.
Today, about 18 months later, she still takes cymbalta on a daily basis and cannot stop or she will suffer severe "withdrawls" from it.
Now I will agree that there are many conditions, injuries and illnesses that require medical intervention. However, if you make medical care available to everyone, you are going to have a huge number of people on medications and receiving medical treatment that is/are UNNECESSARY and in fact, harmful.
But then, isn't that what the big pharmaceutical companies are hoping for? (Paid for of course by people who are forced to pay for Obamacare?)
20yrsinBranson
But, but, but, how will the liberal freaks be able to control society if they cannot force everyone to be on mind-altering drugs?
Like they already do with our children. Their favorite drug of choice with school children is Ritalin. If liberal freaks cannot control you, then you obviously are in need of mind-altering medication, in their twisted minds.
I am most concerned about the availability of doctors. Even when you have good insurance it is becoming increasingly more difficult to see a doctor within a reasonable amount of time. This often forces people to unnecessarily go to the ER because they can't get an appointment when they aren't feeling well.
It is quite frustrating.
So true
In the NHS in the UK they now have G.P. Doctors sitting in the Outpatients dept of local Hospitals where patients who do not have Emergency sistuations can be seen, diagnosed and admitted to Hospital if needed.
This leaves the ER free for Emergency trauma patients and relieves the pressure on the ER.
It looks to me like the people who have to put the damned thing into effect in that state really aren't too excited about too much of it. These words make me wonder if getting a different job might not be a good idea.
A bigger change is that employers now providing coverage for 100,000 people are expected to stop providing health benefits once the health reform law goes into effect.
Studies vary in how many employers will stop providing health insurance. Nothing requires employers to offer health benefits now. But small employers are considered more likely to stop offering coverage after 2014.
weird how you deleted part of that sentence. here's what it really says:
And this is not new news, this is old news. This general idea has been part of various Republican and Democrat proposals for a long time. In fact, I'd be curious if there was one elected politician who didn't advocate forcing young, healthy people to pay more.
How many Republicans took part in the writing of Harry Reid's version of this bill which is what was used? I think the number was zero.
I worked with a lady once who could not afford health care. She had the hives. Because she wasn't poor enough to be on Medicaid, and did not have health care, she put a little calamine lotion on it, and in a week or so, the hives went away.
A year or so later, she had begun working for a company who provided health insurance for her, and she again got the hives. This time, however, she went to the walk in clinic and had almost $300 worth of "tests" done. She also walked out having had a steriod injection and with three prescriptions for medication (including one for cymbalta, to help her with her "anxiety").
She had a very bad reaction to the steriods, which caused her to have an inflammation of her liver. She went back to the emergency room and received prescriptions for four additional medications to treat the liver problem.
Today, about 18 months later, she still takes cymbalta on a daily basis and cannot stop or she will suffer severe "withdrawls" from it.
Now I will agree that there are many conditions, injuries and illnesses that require medical intervention. However, if you make medical care available to everyone, you are going to have a huge number of people on medications and receiving medical treatment that is/are UNNECESSARY and in fact, harmful.
But then, isn't that what the big pharmaceutical companies are hoping for? (Paid for of course by people who are forced to pay for Obamacare?)
20yrsinBranson
Excellent point mr branson. Heck just look at the drug commercials. It appears most of em will end up killing you to cure your affliction. Add in another note when some are getting free healthcare paid for by others they will "splurge" and want a specialist for a splinter. Doc's will say sure why not as they get paid and on and on it goes and it's all free. Well until somebody has to pay the bill. Look at the shape of the economy due to entitlements does anybody even look at what a spending disaster this thing will be? I know companies are and that's why their not hiring. By the 12 election we will be around 16 trillion in debt. GPD is 12 trillion. These people need to be sent home.
It looks to me like the people who have to put the damned thing into effect in that state really aren't too excited about too much of it. These words make me wonder if getting a different job might not be a good idea.
A bigger change is that employers now providing coverage for 100,000 people are expected to stop providing health benefits once the health reform law goes into effect.
Studies vary in how many employers will stop providing health insurance. Nothing requires employers to offer health benefits now. But small employers are considered more likely to stop offering coverage after 2014.
Heck nobody is going to offer coverage when they can just hand it off to the government. That is what we've been saying since the beginning on this disaster. That is never added into the left handed CBO numbers. All the CBO can go on is what is given them by congress. The same crooks who shoved this thing through with no debate and bribes.
Amazing how to pay a fine is cheaper than being able to get decent health cover. I think that tells us MORE about the overpriced health care system in the USA than the problems with "Obamacare".
Obama did NOT want this current bill but to get health cover for people who desperately need it..for example people with pre-conditions... Obama had to compromise with the right.
How is it that the President has to fight tooth and nail to help Americans and has to settle for bad plans just to appease the Right?
Maybe you could tell me who on the right had a hand in writing that pile of Pelosi. Why did Obama sign the thing into law? Oh yeah he got all that pre-existing condition stuff along with 30 million more insureds.
Quite honestly, most people do agree that "Obamacare" (which is an idiotic term, because quite honestly, this demon of a bill is the result of comprimise between repubs and dems) is a failure.
If Obama actually had the balls to do what he actually wanted to do, we'd have decent health insurance in America, not force us to buy into the already broken system.
I have been asking progs today what Republicans were involved in the writing of the pile of Pelosi we call Obamacare. You say it is a compromise bill so surely you know which ones took part. As I recall when Dirty Harry and his group of a few Dem Senators with some pharmacare people and some labor bosses wrote that thing not one Republican was allowed into his office to have a hand in it, Consequently they all refused to vote aye on it. I think you need to realize that the compromise was on the House bill that the Senate never considered passing. Remember when Nasty Nancy said they would have to pass it to find out what was in it? That was pure stupidity but then she knew that it had to be done as quickly as possible or the Republicans in the new Congress would have turned it down.
Maybe you need to look up that word, compromise, to determine what it really means and entails.
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because they never paid attention.
