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Old 09-28-2011, 08:31 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa..._on_principle/

You know, the one that came in response to the explosion here in San Bruno that burned a lot of people to death and led to the realization that Pacific Gas & Electric was egregiously negligent in their quality control. They can't even furnish the records of where the hell exactly their pipelines are! We see how well companies police themselves. These goons deserve to have the book thrown at them.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18982471


So we've got thousands of miles of aging gas pipelines under residential areas and companies that have basically abdicated their responsibility to keep people safe in their quest for greater profit. And Rand Paul is opposing this "on principle" because he thinks there is never, ever a good use of any regulation. Even when pipeline industry people themselves say there are some serious gaps in safety regulation today that need to be addressed.

I guess when you're a corporate ass-kissing anarchist stooge like Rand Paul, a couple of dozen people burned to death in their homes every now and then when a pipeline explodes is just collateral for the freedom of a company like PG&E to do whatever it pleases without consequence (oh wait, I meant to say "the market can effectively regulate itself"). Those dead people don't really matter.
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Old 09-28-2011, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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corporate ass-kissing anarchist stooge
Anarchists don't believe in corporations, in fact they work to destroy them. You were just gluing together words out of emotional disgust.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Anarchists don't believe in corporations, in fact they work to destroy them. You were just gluing together words out of emotional disgust.
Thanks for that. I'm all for avoiding over-regulation, but there is a lot to be emotionally disgusted with in Rand Paul's behavior and the extremists who think like him.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Senator blocks pipeline safety bill on principle - The Boston Globe

You know, the one that came in response to the explosion here in San Bruno that burned a lot of people to death and led to the realization that Pacific Gas & Electric was egregiously negligent in their quality control. They can't even furnish the records of where the hell exactly their pipelines are! We see how well companies police themselves. These goons deserve to have the book thrown at them.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18982471


So we've got thousands of miles of aging gas pipelines under residential areas and companies that have basically abdicated their responsibility to keep people safe in their quest for greater profit. And Rand Paul is opposing this "on principle" because he thinks there is never, ever a good use of any regulation. Even when pipeline industry people themselves say there are some serious gaps in safety regulation today that need to be addressed.

I guess when you're a corporate ass-kissing anarchist stooge like Rand Paul, a couple of dozen people burned to death in their homes every now and then when a pipeline explodes is just collateral for the freedom of a company like PG&E to do whatever it pleases without consequence (oh wait, I meant to say "the market can effectively regulate itself"). Those dead people don't really matter.


The regulation is already there. Has been there. Did it prevent the blowout explosion. Put Government in control of something.....


Who was held accountable for that, again?
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Every time something bad happens, we should give more power to the federal bureaucrats? I'm with Rand Paul on this one. You should calm down with your emotional hysterics and think about it. This isn't about letting the market regulate itself. It's about limiting federal control. If there is an issue in Kentucky with pipeline safety then the state of Kentucky needs to adress that issue. And in California, a state with even more regulations than the US as a whole, you mean to tell me that there wasn't already regulations in place to ensure pipeline safety? I seriously doubt that. Seems to me that the explosion in the San Franciso should be dealth with by California.

We don't need even more layers of underqualified bureaucrats trying to regulate industry. How is Washington D.C. supposed to oversee what goes on in every single state? Think about how much money that will cost.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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Yup, sounds like the SEC / Bernie Madoff situation. More regulations because the SEC investigators were too busy investigating porn on their work computers. Stop adding regulations, and actually enforce what exists.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The regulation is already there. Has been there. Did it prevent the blowout explosion. Put Government in control of something.....
Is this an argument against regulation, or lack of enforcement of regulation?
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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Senator blocks pipeline safety bill on principle - The Boston Globe

You know, the one that came in response to the explosion here in San Bruno that burned a lot of people to death and led to the realization that Pacific Gas & Electric was egregiously negligent in their quality control. They can't even furnish the records of where the hell exactly their pipelines are! We see how well companies police themselves. These goons deserve to have the book thrown at them.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18982471


So we've got thousands of miles of aging gas pipelines under residential areas and companies that have basically abdicated their responsibility to keep people safe in their quest for greater profit. And Rand Paul is opposing this "on principle" because he thinks there is never, ever a good use of any regulation. Even when pipeline industry people themselves say there are some serious gaps in safety regulation today that need to be addressed.

I guess when you're a corporate ass-kissing anarchist stooge like Rand Paul, a couple of dozen people burned to death in their homes every now and then when a pipeline explodes is just collateral for the freedom of a company like PG&E to do whatever it pleases without consequence (oh wait, I meant to say "the market can effectively regulate itself"). Those dead people don't really matter.
Dogma in any facet of life is always unappealing and very often dangerous. I do not see crtical thinking in Rand Paul's decision, which goes to show that the apple does not fall far from the tree.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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Every time something bad happens, we should give more power to the federal bureaucrats? I'm with Rand Paul on this one. You should calm down with your emotional hysterics and think about it. This isn't about letting the market regulate itself. It's about limiting federal control. If there is an issue in Kentucky with pipeline safety then the state of Kentucky needs to adress that issue. And in California, a state with even more regulations than the US as a whole, you mean to tell me that there wasn't already regulations in place to ensure pipeline safety? I seriously doubt that. Seems to me that the explosion in the San Franciso should be dealth with by California.

We don't need even more layers of underqualified bureaucrats trying to regulate industry. How is Washington D.C. supposed to oversee what goes on in every single state? Think about how much money that will cost.
In ideology world things are very simple, but when the rubber meets the road things break down. What most people do not know is that Constitutionally (U.S.) States can not regulate things that the U.S. already regulates or where they occupy the field. This is not a liberal or conservative idea. This is what the SCOTUS has said time and time again. I do not know if Federal Laws supercede state laws on this individual issue, but I would imagine since it is interstate pipeline that it probably does.

Therefore, the states cannot make laws to deal with the issue. If you want to change that then you will have to amend the Constitution.
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Old 09-28-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Regulation without enforcement is only to make people feel good. Governments, Local, State and Federal, need a lot more inspectors and fewer rule makers. Most companies could care less about the rules but get very nervous when an inspector shows up at the door and says that we are doing an inspection NOW as stated in the rules. No warning or warrant needed.
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