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Old 10-13-2011, 09:05 PM
 
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It's sad. One year before the election, Norquist is saying -- yeah, yeah, let's go through the motions and rituals we go through and let the people "decide" who gets to fly in the stupid jet, but that idiot better not get any bright ideas. Wow. Just wow. I can see how this kind of talk would drive many into the Paul camp.
I think this is because they've managed to convince Republican voters to get behind the worst candidate possible, just because they are a Republican they should be supported. Basically, yeah we're still going to con and pillage you, but at least you'll feel good when you get shaken up. They finished doing that to liberals, and now the neo-conned will get conned and sold out next
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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Perhaps yopu misunderstood him;not many want more tinkig at the price and results that Obam gets is pretty clear.In fact it seems in his jobs plan ;Reid thought it needed changing before even voting on it;the thinking was so bad even some democrats said it was dead as written.Everyday I hear democrats say they should have voted for Hillary has she at least she had the experience of Bill.What is sad is Obama results for the spending clearly.
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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It's sad. One year before the election, Norquist is saying -- yeah, yeah, let's go through the motions and rituals we go through and let the people "decide" who gets to fly in the stupid jet, but that idiot better not get any bright ideas. Wow. Just wow. I can see how this kind of talk would drive many into the Paul camp.
I don't think they're even going to let the base decide who wins the nomination. The big R money will throw so much at the person they want that no one else will have a chance. They're letting the base go through the motions right now, but that's going to change quickly once they get a few weeks closer to the primaries, and they're going to pick the person most likely to do exactly what they say to win--I think it will be Romney.

I think those people have real distain for the R base--especially the tea party. They need their votes, but they think they're yahoos...so they pat them on the head, throw out social issues to distract them, and then do what they want anyway. I'm not a fan of the tea party, but I don't think it's right to use them the way they do. It's very disheartening.

We need to stop allowing individuals on either side to dump unlimited amounts of money into campaigns. They're buying our elections.
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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That Norquist is being so open is a measure of his arrogance. Hopefully that sheer ego will be his, and the party's, downfall. Or it will be the grave stone of our Republic.

IMHO this is a non partisan problem. Not only will these guys loot our economy and replace our Republic with a kleptocracy they will probably bust the world’s economy not just our own with unlimited speculation. These people are gamblers not investors. BE WARNED!
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Old 10-14-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Well well well, that expalins the entire GOP candidate field, except of-course Paul, who the GOP will probably Not pick to be their guy, Romney fits the bill and he will get the nomination, watch and see. If Paul runs as an Independent he simply cannot win enough votes to win the election and the GOP vote is split and Obama wins again, jeeez guys. Sad to see the GOP cannot find the backbone to select someone that really stands for the GOP ideals, instead the GOP leadership wants someone THEY can control and hence run the nation through a puppet. The sooner the GOP reforms their Party the sooner they will see Independent voters giving them an honest consideration, but until then they will be hard pressed to convince Indes in any real numbers to vote for their candidates, especially ones for the Whitehouse.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Too bad they do not have a Theodore Roosevelt in the party. Remember what he did the plutocrats.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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Well well well, that expalins the entire GOP candidate field, except of-course Paul, who the GOP will probably Not pick to be their guy, Romney fits the bill and he will get the nomination, watch and see. If Paul runs as an Independent he simply cannot win enough votes to win the election and the GOP vote is split and Obama wins again, jeeez guys. Sad to see the GOP cannot find the backbone to select someone that really stands for the GOP ideals, instead the GOP leadership wants someone THEY can control and hence run the nation through a puppet. The sooner the GOP reforms their Party the sooner they will see Independent voters giving them an honest consideration, but until then they will be hard pressed to convince Indes in any real numbers to vote for their candidates, especially ones for the Whitehouse.
Why do you think they introduced the abortion bill they just did? It's the most radical thing they've ever done--right now women who are pregnant and in medical distress are covered under legislation that requires hospitals to treat them regardless of their insurance status. The bill cuts emergency abortions out of that program, meaning that if you're miscarrying and bleeding to death, they don't have to treat you if you don't have insurance. If you don't have insurance and you need to end the pregnancy to save your life to stop the bleeding, even though the baby isn't going to make it anyway--you're out of luck. Do they want both of them dead? I'm pro life and I think it's unbelievably cruel. They know it's going absolutely no where, but it's a cynical ploy to appeal to the very far right end of the base and pacify them, so they're not paying attention to anything else. It's bait and switch.

Like I said--give it a few weeks and watch the money start pouring in for Romney.

I really like Huntsman. He's a smart, moderate, independent thinker, which is precisely why the party leadership hasn't pushed him forward and wants Romney instead. Except for working in the Obama administration, he has less baggage than Romney and a better record as governor. He has foreign policy experience. Huntsman could win the general as easily as Romney, but they wouldn't be able to control him, so they've made sure that he doesn't have a chance. He's got zero major party support, and Romney is having money thrown at him.

Winning is all about who has the biggest checkbook....

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Old 10-14-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Interesting...the robber barons of the Gilded Age wanted exactly the same kind of president at the end of the 19th century. Just thinkin' out loud here.
From my vantage point I see the USA has returned to all the excesses and more of the guilded age.

Do you think what Norqist said explains the brain dead candidates he and his ilk put up for president.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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I don't think they're even going to let the base decide who wins the nomination. The big R money will throw so much at the person they want that no one else will have a chance. They're letting the base go through the motions right now, but that's going to change quickly once they get a few weeks closer to the primaries, and they're going to pick the person most likely to do exactly what they say to win--I think it will be Romney.

I think those people have real distain for the R base--especially the tea party. They need their votes, but they think they're yahoos...so they pat them on the head, throw out social issues to distract them, and then do what they want anyway. I'm not a fan of the tea party, but I don't think it's right to use them the way they do. It's very disheartening.

We need to stop allowing individuals on either side to dump unlimited amounts of money into campaigns. They're buying our elections.
I agree with you.

Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult | Truthout

Among the GOP base, there is constant harping about somebody else, some "other," who is deliberately, assiduously and with malice aforethought subverting the Good, the True and the Beautiful: Subversives. Commies. Socialists. *******s. Secular humanists. Blacks. ****. Feminazis. The list may change with the political needs of the moment, but they always seem to need a scapegoat to hate and fear.

It is not clear to me how many GOP officeholders believe this reactionary and paranoid claptrap. I would bet that most do not. But they cynically feed the worst instincts of their fearful and angry low-information political base with a nod and a wink.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:29 AM
 
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I already had a hypothesis about this, and he just helped solidify it. Our system is a joke.
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