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Old 10-24-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A.
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That has nothing to do with marriage, My wife and I have a trust also, everyone needs a trust.
It's mainly a way around taxes for us. We have million dollar life insurance policies. If one of us dies, that money would be heavily taxed if it didn't go into a trust. I don't believe that's the case for a married couple.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I read that the period of our childhood from birth to age 5 is very vulnerable to sexual perversion. It can be manipulated.
Where did you read that? James Dobson's Focus on the Family? Or that other whackjob - Pat Robertson? It sounds like something that would come from one of those two bigots.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Hospital policy, or government policy?
Hospital policy; because gay and lesbian couples aren't recognized as marriages in most states, such decisions fall to the family of the ill or deceased partner. If they choose to ignore the wishes of their family member, legally they win. It doesn't matter that they may have been estranged for years. So such couples can remain together for decades, but upon the death of one partner the remaining partner essentially has to, for instance, pay the family half of the value of the house that they own...they pay twice. These are the rights that they're asking for, and not for any special rights above those enjoyed by heterosexual couples. Simply life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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being gay isn't a lifestyle choice i've been gay my whole life and it certainly wasn't chosen, quite the opposite,

Also many gay couples DO have children
Sorry for the poor choice of words. I was referring to choices folks make about whether to marry or remain single, live in a small town or big city,etc. I would never think to include a choice to be gay or straight. Must sound like Michelle Bachmann.

My focus on taxes is still a legitimate one. The US tax code favors marriage. As do all of our laws regarding passing property within families.

My neighbor just died suddenly without a will. Her SO lived with her in her house for the prior 8 years. He contributed to the household expenses and upkeep. She wanted him to have the house and left a huge insurance policy so he could. It was a month before the sister was located to claim the body. They neighbors and SO tried. No deal. She was very estranged from her sisters. Her grown son had been murdered by a nephew.
She died from a fall trying to capture a bird in the house. The coroner ruled the death suspicious. The SO did not get the insurance. The sister ran him off. The $450000.00 house sits vacant and ruining because nobody has decided who owns the house. The former husband's name is on the note, but he has had no contact in 10 years and does not want the house, but he is now responsible to pay the mortgage. Judge says the son would have been the heir, since he is dead, his heir would be his father. The husband whose name is on the note is not the husband who fathered the son. This is a mess Houdini could not straighten out.
Same with the rules regarding marriage, inheritance and taxes.
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Where did you read that? James Dobson's Focus on the Family? Or that other whackjob - Pat Robertson? It sounds like something that would come from one of those two bigots.
It makes sense to me. Just like any animal, we are learning from the moment we open our eyes. This is why a traditional family upbringing is so vitally important.

But imprinted feelings, responses, & fantasies cannot be unlearned.
We can control the behavior that emerges in response to our imprinting,
but as far as we know, there is no way to erase imprinting.
Learned behaviors can be superimposed over imprinted responses.
For instance, we can learn to use either hand with great skill.
But it will be more difficult for the less dominant side to learn.

If sexual responses were learned (rather than imprinted),
then we would naturally assume that they could be unlearned.
But if our sexual fantasies and responses are built into us
at a deeper level—imprinted in our sex-files—
then our attempts to change these imprinted responses
will not work as easily as efforts to change simple learned behavior.

Confusion arises in the area of sex because our brains contain
both learned sexual behavior and sexual imprinting.
For instance, complex behaviors like dating and marriage are learned.
But such learned patterns of relating
have been superimposed on our imprinted heterosexual sex-scripts.
For most of us, this creates no problems.
But if we have been imprinted with homosexual sex-scripts,
then the patterns of heterosexual dating and marriage will be difficult.

Likewise, the complex patterns of homosexual behavior
that have developed within various gay communities or sub-cultures
are mostly learned patterns, which have been superimposed
on top of imprinted homosexual fantasies.

SEXOLOGY---how imprinted sexual fantasies differ from learned social responses
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Old 10-24-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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Hospital policy; because gay and lesbian couples aren't recognized as marriages in most states, such decisions fall to the family of the ill or deceased partner. If they choose to ignore the wishes of their family member, legally they win. It doesn't matter that they may have been estranged for years. So such couples can remain together for decades, but upon the death of one partner the remaining partner essentially has to, for instance, pay the family half of the value of the house that they own...they pay twice. These are the rights that they're asking for, and not for any special rights above those enjoyed by heterosexual couples. Simply life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
What EVER happened to private contracts, as regards hospital policy?
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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What EVER happened to private contracts, as regards hospital policy?
Too many hospitals are run like businesses, and that simply doesn't work. If the patient arrives at the facility without being able to make their wishes known, the hospital will defer to the family in order to prevent a lawsuit. Corporation hospitals either don't offer private contracts or neglect to mention the option.
It's best to have a well-defined living will, no matter what your age and health
status may be.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:24 PM
 
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Too many hospitals are run like businesses, and that simply doesn't work. If the patient arrives at the facility without being able to make their wishes known, the hospital will defer to the family in order to prevent a lawsuit. Corporation hospitals either don't offer private contracts or neglect to mention the option.
It's best to have a well-defined living will, no matter what your age and health
status may be.
Government is too warm, and corporations are too cold.
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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The point was just the opposite - proof that liberals truly are mentally deficient.
Don't make your problems, our problems.
How does questioning your breastfeeding vs. not breastfeeding theory of gayness make all liberals mentally deficient?

Asking for equal rights when it comes to marriage isn't making a gay person's problem your problem. Why do you care who your neighbor marries? Do you think they will pull you into their house and force you into a sex triangle?
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Old 10-24-2011, 06:30 PM
 
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How do you know you're gay if you're a virgin? My advice would be to get out there and try of piece of poonanny and decide whether or not you like it. (How a man could NOT like it just doesn't make sense, but we'll save that for another discussion.)Then you can try to sort out all the other issues in your brain. First things first.
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