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Old 11-08-2011, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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New study suggests autism starts in the womb – The Chart - CNN.com Blogs

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Autistic facial characteristics identified

Very interesting and if the research does find a pre-natal cause for autism maybe the anti-vaccine loons will finally be quiet.
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Old 11-08-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Even if autism begins in the womb, which I don't believe, I'm pretty sure Guillain-Barre doesn't.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:02 PM
 
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Even if autism begins in the womb, which I don't believe, I'm pretty sure Guillain-Barre doesn't.
GBS may be a rare side-effect of influenza vaccines; a study of the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) indicates that it is reported as an adverse event potentially associated with the vaccine at a rate of 1 per million vaccines (over the normal risk).[13] There were reports of GBS affecting 10 per million who had received swine flu immunizations in the 1976 U.S. outbreak of swine flu—25 of which resulted in death from severe pulmonary complications, leading the United States Center of Disease Control to end that immunization campaign within the United States. (By comparison, the average flu season kills around 30,000 people in the United States).[14] However, the role of the vaccine even in those 25 cases in 1976 has remained unclear, partly because GBS had an unknown but very low incidence rate in the general population making it difficult to assess whether the vaccine was really increasing the risk for GBS. Later research has pointed to the absence of, or only a very small increase in, the GBS risk due to the 1976 swine flu vaccine.[15] Furthermore, the GBS may not have been directly due to the vaccine but to a bacterial contamination of the 1976 vaccine.[16]
Since 1976, no other influenza vaccines have been linked to GBS, though as a precautionary principle, caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS.[17][18]
From October 6 to November 24, 2009, the U.S. CDC, through the VAERS reporting system, received ten reports of Guillain-Barré syndrome cases associated with the H1N1 vaccine and identified two additional probable cases from VAERS reports (46.2 million doses were distributed within the U.S. during this time). Only four cases, however, meet the Brighton Collaboration case criteria for Guillain–Barré syndrome, while four do not meet the criteria and four remain under review.[19] A preliminary report by the CDC's Emerging Infections Programs (EIP) calculates the rate of GBS observed in patients who previously received the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccination is an excess of 0.8 per million cases, which is on par with the rate seen with the seasonal trivalent influenza vaccine.[20]
Although one review gives an incidence of about one case per million vaccinations,[21] a large study in China, reported in the NEJM covering close to 100 million doses of vaccine against the 2009 H1N1 "swine" flu found only eleven cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (0.1 per million) total incidence in persons vaccinated, actually lower than the normal rate of the disease in China, and no other notable side effects; "The risk-benefit ratio, which is what vaccines and everything in medicine is about, is overwhelmingly in favor of vaccination."[22]
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:16 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Still not very comforting when you're rolling that die every year for something you don't really need. As for Autism, the "study" involved seven whole people and didn't even find increased neuro cells in all of them. Even if it was linked to Autism, it doesn't mean increased neuro cells "causes" Autism, it could just put kids at risk for Autism. The disease, like almost every other disease, could be triggered by something else in susceptible people. So, assuming, arguendo, that these cells do put you at risk for Autism, it could still be a vaccine that brings the disease to fruition, or some other trigger. The explosion of Autism is something difficult to blame on genetics (or even embryonic environment).
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:19 PM
 
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Suggests?
How about some real science...
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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Really?! and to what would these studies point us to, to try to explain WHY that, if starting in the womb, Autism was virtually unheard of in the sixties , and now is so very commonplace that School districts actually have special departments just for Austistic children?!

I mean, c'monn, what about "the womb" has changed so horribly?!
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:35 PM
 
Location: southern california
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as we get comfortable with 144000 abortions a year 1/2 way and more thru pregnancy term, then-- the next step is picking which pregnancies we will let continue.
its funny we threw the 3rd reich under the bus in nuremberg for this.
amazing in just 60 years americans can demonize and deify back and forth just like flipping pancakes.
i mean we are talking about america right??? the american pubic. i mean not some other flaky country?
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:43 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Really?! and to what would these studies point us to, to try to explain WHY that, if starting in the womb, Autism was virtually unheard of in the sixties , and now is so very commonplace that School districts actually have special departments just for Austistic children?!

I mean, c'monn, what about "the womb" has changed so horribly?!
This is my point exactly. Something causes Autism. People are trying very hard to just explain it away, but there is far too much evidence to be dismissed. First is the ridiculous claim that such a profound and definitive disorder was simply "misdiagnosed" up until now. Then there are the people who try to say that it comes from genetics or "in the womb", but like you pointed out, genetics and the womb have not changed (although genetics likely plays a role). Nope, sorry, something else causes Autism and it's something new. I'm not sure if it's the way we process and industrialize our food; the way we bombard children with dozens of often unnecessary vaccinations within a short period of time; the amount of micropharmaceuticals in our water; or something else. Whatever it is, it's probably something that would cause a great deal of alarm and be very difficult to fix. I'm just not buying the smoke and mirrors on this one.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:54 PM
 
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Applauding your post, MJJersey!
The shots, the barrage of so many more shots than we were forced to take in the sixties, early sixties at that! of course....

Note how big Pharma is so de$$$perate to keep us from the truth that they keep telling us that "No, it's not the mercury!" over and over and over....

as if it can't possibly be something about the shots, OTHER than the Mercury!!

CDC officials, who maintain autism is a genetic disorder and irreversible, cannot tolerate the existence of children whose autistic behaviors have disappeared after chelation therapy removes vaccine-related mercury and other toxins from their bodies. (NVIC 3/2006)


Several of the participants tried to imply that autism was a genetic disorder and therefore could have nothing to do with vaccines. Dr. Weil put that to rest with this comment, "We don't see that kind of genetic change in 30 years." In other words, how can we suddenly see a 300% increase in a genetically related disorder over such a short period? It is also known that there are two forms of autism, one that is apparent at birth and one that develops later in childhood. The former has not changed in incidence since statistics have been kept; the other is epidemic. Russell Blaylock, MD

"Much attention has been focused on the MMR shot itself, whereas in all probability it is a combination of the three factors listed above: the increasing number of vaccines, the large amount of mercury, and the inherent danger of the triple vaccine.....The MMR vaccine is also especially suspect because laboratories in England, Ireland, and Japan have found evidence of MMR vaccine viruses in the intestinal tracts of autistic children, but not in control group, non-autistic children."- Dr. Rimland

Every day new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby, child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster followed by a sudden fall or slow, but steady decline into autism or other spectrums disorder.- The HOPE Project

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Old 11-08-2011, 11:02 PM
 
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This is my point exactly. Something causes Autism. People are trying very hard to just explain it away, but there is far too much evidence to be dismissed. First is the ridiculous claim that such a profound and definitive disorder was simply "misdiagnosed" up until now. Then there are the people who try to say that it comes from genetics or "in the womb", but like you pointed out, genetics and the womb have not changed (although genetics likely plays a role). Nope, sorry, something else causes Autism and it's something new. I'm not sure if it's the way we process and industrialize our food; the way we bombard children with dozens of often unnecessary vaccinations within a short period of time; the amount of micropharmaceuticals in our water; or something else. Whatever it is, it's probably something that would cause a great deal of alarm and be very difficult to fix. I'm just not buying the smoke and mirrors on this one.
Can't rep you any more. There are numerous doctors and scientists who are not buying the smoke and mirrors either. Something makes some children vulnerable, and something is triggering the process that leads to the development of autism. Eventually the truth will come out. I mean, the real truth.
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