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Old 12-07-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because other nations cannot have jurisdiction over anybody living here... except their diplomats.
Patently false.

The U.S. State Department specifically states otherwise:
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"...dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries."
US State Department Services Dual Nationality

Obama's own campaign acknowledged that Obama's citizenship status at birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948.
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"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack (http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate - broken link)

Obama was born under the jurisdiction of the U.K.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:11 AM
 
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then why didn't leahy or any other congressman raise an objection to obama if they all agreed it was an exclusive definition?
When was Obama's Constitutional eligibility discussed in a Congressional hearing prior to the 2008 election?
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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When was Obama's Constitutional eligibility discussed in a Congressional hearing....:
.... or gw bush, clinton, ghw bush, reagan, carter, ford, nixon, johnson, kennedy, ike, fdr.....

do you honestly believe there was a congressman that had an objection but couldn't figure out how to express it?
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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.... or gw bush, clinton, ghw bush, reagan, carter, ford, nixon, johnson, kennedy, ike, fdr.....

do you honestly believe there was a congressman that had an objection but couldn't figure out how to express it?
They didn't even consider it at all. Why? It's not Congress's responsibility to vet presidential candidates.

The DNC is supposed to vet their own candidates. They failed to do so. Whose fault is that?
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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When was Obama's Constitutional eligibility discussed in a Congressional hearing prior to the 2008 election?
The appropriate time would have been during the counting and certification of the electoral vote during a joint session of Congress as stipulated by the 12th Amendment, which by the way, the reason that the Supreme Court will never hear a case that would overrule the certification of a presidential candidate certified by the joint session.

The only way that I can see whereby the Supreme Court would ever become involved would be in an instance where a state refused to accept Obama's certified birth certificate, frankly such a challenge wouldn't even make it to the appellant courts.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Patently false.

The U.S. State Department specifically states otherwise:US State Department Services Dual Nationality
This is another oblivious lie on your part. The section you linked to never mentions jurisdiction once. And this is inexplicable since you have been corrected several times regarding what "jurisdiction" means according to the Supreme Court. As Justice Gray told us:

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The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words, "All persons born in the United States" by the addition "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases -- children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State -- both of which, as has already been shown, by the law of England and by our own law from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country. Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 1, 18b; Cockburn on Nationality, 7; Dicey Conflict of Laws, 177; Inglis v. Sailors' Snug Harbor, 3 Pet. 99, 155; 2 Kent Com. 39, 42.
Since Obama's father was neither a foreign diplomat nor an alien soldier in hostile occupation, Obama was born entirely and exclusively subject the jurisdiction of the United States.

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Obama's own campaign acknowledged that Obama's citizenship status at birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack (http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate - broken link)

Obama was born under the jurisdiction of the U.K.
Wrong again. Since Obama Sr. was neither a foreign diplomat nor an alien soldier in hostile occupation, Obama was born entirely and exclusively subject the jurisdiction of the United States.

Furthermore, only Obama's British citizenship status was governed by the British nationality Act of 1948. Not his natural born US citizenship. We are a sovereign nation, and no foreign government can tell us who is or is not our citizen.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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The appropriate time would have been during the counting and certification of the electoral vote during a joint session of Congress as stipulated by the 12th Amendment, which by the way, the reason that the Supreme Court will never hear a case that would overrule the certification of a presidential candidate certified by the joint session.
You mean the one presided over by Pelosi and Reid? As if that was going to happen.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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They didn't even consider it at all. Why?
Because unlike you they understand US citizenship law.

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It's not Congress's responsibility to vet presidential candidates.
No. But it is their job to certify the election. And they did so without objection.

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The DNC is supposed to vet their own candidates. They failed to do so.
How would you pretend to know that? Now you're just making stuff up.

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Whose fault is that?
No fault is assignable since no offense was committed.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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Note the EXACT statement again...Anywhere in the world. The U.S. is anywhere in the world.
And it's perfectly true.

It is also true that persons born on US soil, even to aliens, are also natural born US citizens.

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No one in Congress disputed what Senator Leahy and Michael Chertoff said, or offered any alternative meaning of the Constitution's natural born citizen clause.
Why would they bother since the only issue in front of them was the citizenship status of John McCain?

You really do not think through this stuff very hard.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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.... prior to the 2008 election?
from the tribe/olson report released to congress march 19, 2008:

These sources all confirm that the phrase “natural born” includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation’s territory and allegiance.
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