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View Poll Results: The middle class is suffering and Republicans want to cut taxes for the wealthy. Do you agree with t
Yes, the wealthy need more money and power. This will help America. 38 20.54%
No, the Republicans are dead wrong.This hasn't ever helped anyone but the wealthy and will continue to hurt the middle class. 147 79.46%
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Old 12-29-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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Strawman:

I don't want to take 100% of anyone's money.

I don't want to eliminate the middle class's tax burden.

And I don't want to pay off the national debt.


But, for the sake of argument, I'm sick of hearing this ignorant comment. US Wealth is $57.4 trillion, the top 1% own around 40% of that. So that gives you about $23 trillion. So how do you figure that confiscating 100% of "the rich's" wealth wouldn't lead to at least $15 trillion? You must be using some bad numbers.
Household Wealth in U.S. Falls for Second Straight Quarter - Bloomberg
http://www.people.hbs.edu/mnorton/norton%20ariely.pdf

You can't tax wealth. You can only tax EARNINGS.

 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I hear this all the time. The question is not should we confiscate all the wealth from the rich but should raising taxes on the rich be part of a solution to fiscal balance.

Taxing the rich a few percent more raises as much money as imposing harsh cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. Thus, those cuts can be avoided by raising taxes modestly.
I hear this all the time in comments and in the MSM.

So which Congress person has put tax changes on the table and I meant IRS tax changes ? NONE.

You're being lied to. Tax the rich ? Ok so why was the payroll tax cut given out to everyone ? Why not just 50K salary and lower ?
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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When the wealthy pay disproportionately low tax rates, this reduces investment in public goods like roads, rail, ports, infrastructure, national defense, social welfare -- and it puts the burden of these expenditures on the low-wealth working class.
Are your taxes scheduled to go up? Then what are you talking about?
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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What harsh cuts to medicare and medicaid are you talking about?
Isnt that the truth. Obama cut $500B out of these programs and the left celebrated.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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You can't tax wealth. You can only tax EARNINGS.
Shhh, also dont tell Cletus that if we tax all of the wealth, all assets become worthless because if what you own has no value to you, then you wont buy it..
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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You can't tax wealth. You can only tax EARNINGS.
Somebody had better tell that to Switzerland, France, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands, Norway, and India, because they tax wealth. Russia and the UK are debating the idea.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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a tax on net worth,
LOL... You can manipulate a net worth statement 1000's of different ways. And I'm sure that those who can afford to do just that will. Once again, it'll be the middle class folks who don't cheat and pay their taxes without fail that will be hurt. How many middle class folks who actually didn't fall into the real estate fiasco want to pay tax on the equity in their homes? Because equity is on a net worth statement. Guess it'll be time for me to quit making my house payments and let er go back to the bank because no way I can pay tax on my equity... jeez....
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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Are your taxes scheduled to go up? Then what are you talking about?
first question: yes.

second question: we're talking about taxes.
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Somebody had better tell that to Switzerland, France, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands, Norway, and India, because they tax wealth. Russia and the UK are debating the idea.
Well this discussion is about the US. What do we care about taxes in other countries ?
 
Old 12-29-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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Somebody had better tell that to Switzerland, France, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands, Norway, and India, because they tax wealth. Russia and the UK are debating the idea.
We dont live in any of those countries
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first question: yes.

second question: we're talking about taxes.
Then why do you keep discussing wealth?
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