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Old 12-28-2011, 07:52 PM
 
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Iran follows through with their threat to shut down the straights and stop oil shipments?
Should we take the hawk or the dove stance? More useless sanctions maybe?
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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Iran follows through with their threat to shut down the straights and stop oil shipments?
Should we take the hawk or the dove stance? More useless sanctions maybe?
Bullies don't respond to anything but a smack upside the head.
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:44 PM
 
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Iran follows through with their threat to shut down the straights and stop oil shipments?
Should we take the hawk or the dove stance? More useless sanctions maybe?
Sanctions are like declaring war on the children, elderly, and minorities of the targeted society. They bear the brunt and the sacrifice; the bad guys at the top, the repressive police and the military do not suffer a whit. Sanctions create lucrative black market activity by the elite, to boot.

Sanctions allow cowards to pretend that they are doing something. They are the way of Jimmy Carter and his intellectual descendants.
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Old 12-28-2011, 08:48 PM
 
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Simple.

Take out their fleet in one merciless and swift attack. Do it at night and let CNN bring cameras.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Iran follows through with their threat to shut down the straights and stop oil shipments?
Should we take the hawk or the dove stance? More useless sanctions maybe?
Escort merchant ships thru the strait with cruisers and destroyers, and have an aircraft carrier (or two) hanging around. The Stennis is already there, I believe.

Ships that make any hostile acts (including near-miss passes with no radio communications, etc.) will be sunk, either with or without warning depending on circumstances.

Of course, our diplomats should be explaining this to the Iranians RIGHT NOW, in no uncertain terms. Are they?

And it wouldn't be a bad idea for our govt to be making this policy clear, publicly, also right now. Are they?

If, after the first ship is sunk, the Iranians continue hostile acts, keep sinking them... and drop a few brigades (or more) of Special Forces on their favorite nuclear facilities to turn them back into the earth they came from. As a prominent Democrat said, it's a shame to waste a good crisis. Though unlike his pronouncement, WE mean it against our enemies.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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It's not like this situation hasn't been planned out over and over and over again by the folks at the pentagon etc. There are plenty of options on the table. What will Egypt do is the question I'd like to know.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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Simple.

Take out their fleet in one merciless and swift attack. Do it at night and let CNN bring cameras.
The Iranians have land-based antiship missiles (Silkworms from China). Some may be mobile. So plan for the worst.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:12 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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What will Egypt do is the question I'd like to know.
Egypt is welcome to help if they like. If they don't like, then they'd be well advised to stay out of the way while we take care of business.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:14 PM
 
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Escort merchant ships thru the strait with cruisers and destroyers, and have an aircraft carrier (or two) hanging around. The Stennis is already there, I believe.

Ships that make any hostile acts (including near-miss passes with no radio communications, etc.) will be sunk, either with or without warning depending on circumstances.

Of course, our diplomats should be explaining this to the Iranians RIGHT NOW, in no uncertain terms. Are they?

And it wouldn't be a bad idea for our govt to be making this policy clear, publicly, also right now. Are they?

If, after the first ship is sunk, the Iranians continue hostile acts, keep sinking them... and drop a few brigades (or more) of Special Forces on their favorite nuclear facilities to turn them back into the earth they came from. As a prominent Democrat said, it's a shame to waste a good crisis. Though unlike his pronouncement, WE mean it against our enemies.
Don't underestimate Obama, who has raised cowboy diplomacy to an art form. This is the guy who avoids bringing more terrorists to Guantanamo--by killing them with drones.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:14 PM
 
Location: United State of Texas
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The Iranians have land-based antiship missiles (Silkworms from China). Some may be mobile. So plan for the worst.
Nonsense. They will not stand a chance. Plus, they are worried about escalating to a full out war with the US.
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