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Old 01-13-2012, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I hope he doesn't shrink it too much, or there'll be nothing left for the next guy. He has already terminated 600 000 government empoyees.

Obama Seeks 'consolidation Authority' To Merge Agencies | Fox News

President Barack Obama will ask Congress on Friday for greater power to shrink the federal government, and his first idea is merging six sprawling trade and commerce agencies whose overlapping programs can be baffling to businesses, a senior administration official told The Associated Press

Obama will call on Congress to give him a type of reorganizational power last held by a president when Ronald Reagan was in office. The Obama version would be a so-called consolidation authority allowing him to propose mergers that promise to save money and help consumers. The deal would entitle him to an up-or-down vote from Congress in 90 days.

 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:17 AM
 
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If Obama scaled back the actual regulatory powers of the agencies or eliminated them all together, it might mean something.
Having the same rules with less people to oversee them will just make it worse.

When he calls for the elimination of Dept's of Education and Homeland Security, we'll know he is serious about scaling back government.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's one mighty big task there. I can see consolidating overlapping agencies but there must be something else they are doing to be considered separate.

I agree with Frank..you cannot consolidate and lay off workers if you don't streamline your processes first. You also need to consolidate your software. The state of Texas tried that and is still going through pains. Several agencies dealing with social programs each had different software and forms with lots of overlap. They are not consolidated years later. And this is just at the state level.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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That's one mighty big task there. I can see consolidating overlapping agencies but there must be something else they are doing to be considered separate.

I agree with Frank..you cannot consolidate and lay off workers if you don't streamline your processes first. You also need to consolidate your software. The state of Texas tried that and is still going through pains. Several agencies dealing with social programs each had different software and forms with lots of overlap. They are not consolidated years later. And this is just at the state level.
Merging overlapping agencies IS steamlining.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Sounds like Obama finally understands that it's only logical to be a conservative in this country. (Yeah right!) This is, in fact, a long-held Republican agenda item. Talk about election year politicking!
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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That's one mighty big task there. I can see consolidating overlapping agencies but there must be something else they are doing to be considered separate.
The issue is that for decades, when addressing issues Congress preferred creating new bureaucracies rather than modify ones that already existed. This had the added bonus that each new staff would create jobs in someone's district. The result is there are now more than 100 Federal agencies, ranging from the Department of Defense with more than a million employees, to some "micro-agencies" with less than 100. The entire list is here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...year/app_c.pdf
(My favorite: the Marine Mammal Commission...)

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I agree with Frank..you cannot consolidate and lay off workers if you don't streamline your processes first. You also need to consolidate your software. The state of Texas tried that and is still going through pains. Several agencies dealing with social programs each had different software and forms with lots of overlap. They are not consolidated years later. And this is just at the state level.
Reorganizations always suck. Homeland Security is still consolidating after nearly a decade it's been painful. The good news here is the agencies Obama wants to consolidate at least have similar mission areas and the scope will be much smaller. It's the little things that always create friction and makes the process hard.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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Sounds like Obama finally understands that it's only logical to be a conservative in this country. (Yeah right!) This is, in fact, a long-held Republican agenda item. Talk about election year politicking!
Well, he has already trimmed 600 000 government empolyees in the past two years (willingly or unwillingly), so maybe it is not only election year stuff.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Sounds like Obama finally understands that it's only logical to be a conservative in this country. (Yeah right!) This is, in fact, a long-held Republican agenda item. Talk about election year politicking!
You do realize the reason this wasn't done already is the number of Committee Chairmen who would lose their Committee, they don't like the idea. The Repubs hold those chairs, sooooo....
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Merging overlapping agencies IS steamlining.
But it doesn't happen overnight. Easy to say but very hard to implement.
No agency wants to give up what they do knowing there will be layoffs.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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But it doesn't happen overnight. Easy to say but very hard to implement.
No agency wants to give up what they do knowing there will be layoffs.
I don't they will ask whether or not the agecies want it. If there are two agencies doing the samew thing, they will be merged whether they like it or not.

I think this is another initiative which should be embraced by both parties. There are no excuses to oppose this kind of thing.
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