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Old 01-16-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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That reminds me, those tax cuts have "created or saved" millions of jobs. We would be a lot worse off, if not for those tax cuts.



I'm just using a little Obama inspired rhetoric.
Legit and checkable facts, stats and links please
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:08 PM
 
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Legit and checkable facts, stats and links please
Obama first.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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The deregulation that caused our current financial disaster was the result of Clinton's repeal of Glass-Steagall, among other regulation changes that he made. We were also helped by congress refusing to rein in F&F in Bush's second term. Funny how the debt and financial problems kicked into high gear with the dem take over of the congress and senate from the 2006 elections.
Newt is claiming responsibility for the dereg. as it was the Repub. congress which passed it. The debt caused by Mr. Bushes tax cuts have done more harm then good. I am glad to see you agree that deregulation of the banking industry was wrong.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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Newt is claiming responsibility for the dereg. as it was the Repub. congress which passed it. The debt caused by Mr. Bushes tax cuts have done more harm then good. I am glad to see you agree that deregulation of the banking industry was wrong.
The dems controlled congress in 1998-2008.

Hell yes it was wrong!! Letting commercial and investment banks merge, that gave us the likes of CitiGroup, where gambling with our money became a profitable game to play, especially when the federal government bails Citigroup out, but leaves are asses hanging in the breeze.

Too much regulation is bad, because it becomes government trying to manage hundreds of millions of hands and minds, and all it does is create more problems.

Regulations form the framework from which the private sector operates within, Glass-Steagall was good, sensible regulation. Thinking they could repeal it, in the age of high-tech enlightenment, was just ignorance and hubris.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:29 PM
 
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Obama first.
You made a claim and can't back it up. The OP blames Obama for an economy that has been years in the makng thanks to Reagan, which was accelerated by Bush's tax cuts for his base (his own words, BTW).

Obama has been shoveling $hit against the tide, so to speak, having to deal with a GOP Congress. It is very easy to Google the facts and get the low down on how The both Republican POTUS's I mentioned brought the USA to the point of this economy and job situation. The only excuse for not realizing this is if one was born yesterday or in a coma for the last thirty years.
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Old 01-16-2012, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The OP and the rest of the incessant Obama bashers conveniently forget that the Bush Tax cuts for the Rich were supposed to create jobs (AKA "Voodoo"). So the thread title should actually be "Put Up or Shut Up on Jobs, Mr. Speaker of The House Boehner and all the rest of the Neocon thieves, liars and frauds".
They DID. Just look at the deficit figures from 2004-2007.

The deficit went DOWN because of increased revenue to the treasury, a result of the Bush tax cuts. More people WORKING, increased revenue, less deficit.

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf (broken link)

DENY this.

A deficit high of $412 B all the way down to $160 B - revenues INCREASED by more taxpayers working or taxes were RAISED...which is it?

Last edited by sanrene; 01-16-2012 at 03:51 PM.. Reason: change date
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Old 01-16-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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They DID. Just look at the deficit figures from 2004-2007.

The deficit went DOWN because of increased revenue to the treasury, a result of the Bush tax cuts. More people WORKING, increased revenue, less deficit.

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.pdf (broken link)

DENY this.

A deficit high of $412 B all the way down to $160 B - revenues INCREASED by more taxpayers working or taxes were RAISED...which is it?
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As Reagan's OMB chief David Stockman learned the hard way, Arthur Laffer's supply-side snake oil may have been Republican orthodoxy ever since Jude Wanniski sketched Laffer's curve on a cocktail napkin, but it also happened to be catastrophically wrong.
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"There's no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue. They increased revenue because of the vibrancy of these tax cuts in the economy. So I think what Senator Kyl was expressing was the view of virtually every Republican on that subject."

That view may be Republican orthodoxy, but it also happens to be utterly wrong.
GOP Debt Panel: Tax Cuts Magically Increase Revenue | Crooks and Liars
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Unless you are into nature, then you are wrong.....

Hundreds and thousands of birds have been killed by your harmless wind mills....

Robert Bryce: Windmills Are Killing Our Birds - WSJ.com

I'm sure you can provide some statistics on this? Right, or do you have a crystal ball and can foresee the future?
If the proper steps are taken then they will not. You also do not seem to care that oil, coal, and gas kill and that solar does not.

BP hiring the unemployed for oil spill clean-up - Jun. 8, 2010

BP Hires Prison Labor to Clean Up Spill While Coastal Residents Struggle | The Nation

These are only a few of the people, not to mention the military or other paid personnel involved.

[quote=sanrene;22568844]Really? What about the EXISTING pipeline(S) we seem to hear nothing about?[quote]

Just because you do not hear anything about it does not mean that problems have not risen as a result of it.

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So you have no problem believing your partisan links but question a non partisan link that doesn't agree with your views.
As always.

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The OP and the rest of the incessant Obama bashers conveniently forget that the Bush Tax cuts for the Rich were supposed to create jobs (AKA "Voodoo"). So the thread title should actually be "Put Up or Shut Up on Jobs, Mr. Speaker of The House Boehner and all the rest of the Neocon thieves, liars and frauds".
You should not expect that much from the OP.
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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[quote=OICU812;22571358]The dems controlled congress in 1998-2008.

You need to check that before you believe it
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:36 PM
 
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Obama talks, talks, talks a good game on his interest in creating jobs and his recent talk about "in sourcing" jobs, but we all know that's a bunch of BS and politics is his overriding concern, which is pretty outrageous considering his rhetoric.

Keystone XL Pipeline An Insourcing Opportunity To Create American Jobs - Investors.com

Keystone XL Pipeline And Jobs — Put Up Or Shut Up



Amazing, Labor unions support this project, but they are so far up obama's derriere, they hold back their criticism for fear of damaging him.



Well, there was no doubt about that.
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The number of things Obama wants to defer decision upon until "after the election" is reason enough he should be fired. He puts his self-interest above that of this country.

Chamber of Commerce to Obama:


Chamber of Commerce to Obama: You
Oh you people who want BIGGER government to do everything for you!


Why aren't your Worshipped Wealthy creating jobs with those tax cuts Bush gave them....Repugs said they would then create jobs!!!!!

Why haven't they???? They, your ONLY god, The Wealthy, didn't do a very good job.
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