stop having kids you can't afford to raise properly. (Ron Paul, ethic, revolution)

[Spindle]

lol. A lot of anti-community, super capitalists here. The best investment a nation can make is to have plenty of children and give them excellent schooling.

[Sunnysee]

Originally Posted by Spindle

lol. A lot of anti-community, super capitalists here. The best investment a nation can make is to have plenty of children and give them excellent schooling.

Point! agree with you.

People that can afford to have kids and have the patience to do it correctly should have lots of kids and homeschool them.

Nation saved~

[Keim]

Originally Posted by Spindle

lol. A lot of anti-community, super capitalists here. The best investment a nation can make is to have plenty of children and give them excellent schooling.

I'll second that. The best thing to come out of the Scottish Reformation was the idea of public schools. A good public education system is one of the basics that have made the USA great. A rising tide floats all boats.

[WesternPilgrim]

It's stunning to see all the child hatred in this thread. Some of you have lost all sense of the common good, of having any connection at all to society or your neighbors. Truly, libertarianism rots the soul as well as the brain.

Three realities: 1) Children are blessing not only to their parents but also to society; 2) Americans are having too few children; 3) Many parents today do a poor job of raising children. These three realities appear incongruous but they are in fact true.

Some well-meaning people conclude that because parents today do a poor job of raising children, it follows that children are unworthy objects of "subsidies", and that childbearing should be discouraged for those who can't guarantee that they will always be able to provide financially for all of their child's needs without outside help. I hate to credit Hilary Clinton with anything, but there is a legitimate sense in which "it takes a village to raise a child" - just not the phony leftist village she imagines.

You need for your neighbors to have children, and lots of them. The future of this country, and especially of this child-hating generation, is nothing but ruin if they don't. And if you aren't willing to help out in some way - perhaps even a tax-supported subsidy if the situation calls for it - you're a damned fool.

Having said that, something must also be done to change our childrearing habits in this country. 40% of American kids are born out of wedlock. The rest live on a steady cultural diet of Lady Gaga, video games, and online pornography. Too many parents seem to think that public schools and pop culture will raise their children for them. That doesn't seem to be working out too well. Policy incentives for traditional marriage, religious education, and parental responsibility urgently need to be implemented. Those incentives can and should include "subsidies".

[NYer75]

[quote=wittic;22600244]so the rest of us don't have to pay taxes to fund your kids. Until you have banked 300k, you aint ready to raise your FIRST kid. 200k more for each additional kid. No reason for a woman to have a kid before she's 30, or a man before he's 35. If the 2 of you aint got 300k in 15 years combined, then you CAN'T raise kids properly, in the US, most likely. So forget it. quit putting the load on other people! each kid takes 1`/4 million to raise properly, mother should be there for them until they are 6-7 years old, in PRIVATE school. So you lose her income for those years and need baby sitters, so mom can take sanity breaks. Quit putting the load of your retirement on ss and tax payers, or on your kids. Save-invest properly, or don't have kids.[/QUOTEA

What planet are you living on? Did YOUR parents have $300k banked when they decided to have sex and bring you into the world????
You are telling me a person who doesn't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank can't raise kids?

What percentage of the child bearing population (young and not old like you), have $300k in the bank?

This thread is beyond dumb.

[MaseMan]

Pretty sure most parents are also paying taxes, which most of these anti-children posters are ignoring.

[NYer75]

I wonder if wittic's parents were given the same advice before they conceived him.

[Randomstudent]

Originally Posted by andrea3821

This assumes all people need a college education. I don't subscribe to that idea. I think all monies put aside after taxes for a minor child (like a trust) should have some kind of incentive or tax free earnings on dividends earned. Let the kid decide what to do with it. Coincidentally, parents who open these accounts are likely teaching their kids how NOT to blow their money so they can be a productive member of society.

I got a good chuckle out of this. Trust funds are massive disincentives to working especially if they are big and provide substantial income. Think about it this way, if you just had a steady supply of income and did not have to do your job would you? For most people, with the exception of doing stuff they enjoy, the answer is no. Most people would much rather pursue their hobbies, be career students and get advanced degrees in whatever topic strikes their fancy, do charity and other unpaid work for causes, travel, be lazy/party etc.

[freightshaker]

I raised 4 kids and put all of them through college without any help from the government and I didn't spend that kind of money to do it. I have known many families that have been dirt poor, but had a sound base and did a fine job of raising children into responsible adults. It's not so much about money as it is the lack of discipline and respect being taught to children by their parents. Children can't raise themselves, but it doesn't "take a village to raise a child". It takes a responsible adult. Rather than focusing on the financial aspects of parenting, I would much rather see people focus on what it means to be a parent. We as a nation would be better off if we did.

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Sunnysee

Point! agree with you.

People that can afford to have kids and have the patience to do it correctly should have lots of kids and homeschool them.

Nation saved~

I would have to agree. Having kids is a personal choice, and as long as parents take full responsibility in every aspect for the costs of raising their offspring, I have no problem with how many kids a person wants to have. It's when they procreate and don't have the time, money, or patience to do so, and depend on the government that I have a major issue with!

Originally Posted by Keim

I'll second that. The best thing to come out of the Scottish Reformation was the idea of public schools. A good public education system is one of the basics that have made the USA great. A rising tide floats all boats.

Public education is vastly inferior in many ways to private education. It basically has always been that way ... however, what made public schools even worse was when President Carter created the Department of Education, and basically shifted the school systems from local control to federal control. I say that if you want to keep the schools public, fine, but make only the parents with kids in school pay for it out of their taxes ... not the childless ones!

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

It's stunning to see all the child hatred in this thread. Some of you have lost all sense of the common good, of having any connection at all to society or your neighbors. Truly, libertarianism rots the soul as well as the brain.

You're entitled to your opinion ... but let me remind you that Libertarianism is what this country was founded on. You might recall a document called the Constitution. Most of the writings in the U.S. Constitution, especially the ones granting us freedom of speech, the right to keep & bear arms, the right to a speedy trial, the right to be secure in our homes, etc., etc. are purely Libertarian. Nowhere in the Constitution does it grant the right to procreation!

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

Three realities: 1) Children are blessing not only to their parents but also to society;

Again, your opinion ... not a fact.

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

2) Americans are having too few children;

But the world's population keeps expanding at record levels. What does that tell you? Perhaps Americans are reproducing at a lower rate, but the rest of the planet is still spewing out babies nonstop.

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

3) Many parents today do a poor job of raising children.

I wholeheartedly agree here.

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

Some well-meaning people conclude that because parents today do a poor job of raising children, it follows that children are unworthy objects of "subsidies", and that childbearing should be discouraged for those who can't guarantee that they will always be able to provide financially for all of their child's needs without outside help. I hate to credit Hilary Clinton with anything, but there is a legitimate sense in which "it takes a village to raise a child" - just not the phony leftist village she imagines.

And I came to dislike Hillary for that very reason. The concept of it taking a village to raise everybody else's children is not only socialist, but lazy & irresponsible on the parents' part.

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

You need for your neighbors to have children, and lots of them. The future of this country, and especially of this child-hating generation, is nothing but ruin if they don't. And if you aren't willing to help out in some way - perhaps even a tax-supported subsidy if the situation calls for it - you're a damned fool.

OK, I'll admit to being a "damned fool" ... but you are a damned socialist if you adhere to these beliefs. Doesn't matter if you are Republican, Democrat, Independent, or whatever. It's nothing but pure left wing, pro government socialism!!!

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

Having said that, something must also be done to change our childrearing habits in this country. 40% of American kids are born out of wedlock. The rest live on a steady cultural diet of Lady Gaga, video games, and online pornography. Too many parents seem to think that public schools and pop culture will raise their children for them. That doesn't seem to be working out too well. Policy incentives for traditional marriage, religious education, and parental responsibility urgently need to be implemented. Those incentives can and should include "subsidies".

Oh, and you're also a meddler & moralist do gooder. We have already sanctioned & subsidized traditional marriage, as well as religious education. George W. Bush pushed faith based education, special tax deductions/credits for married couples, and "No Child Left Behind". How well have those worked??? I'll tell you how successful they have been: fewer people are getting married than ever before, and public schools still take up a massive amount of local, state, and federal money ... not to mention being in worse shape than ever.

We need the government to do LESS, not more. It has already wasted away billions on senseless projects at home and abroad, and they have done little if any good whatsoever. Please, no more incentives or subsidies. If you want to contribute to the cause, feel free to do so on your OWN terms. You make some valid points about how children are poorly raised, but you should never force anybody to pay for any kind of tax supported subsidy. That is completely un American!