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Old 01-23-2012, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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What about the grandiose 'doles' that allowed weasels to under pay them in the first place? What about the infrastructure costs born on 99% to facilitate the 1%? What about the blood and tears they paid to military industrial complex hyenas hijacking America? How's that tax the poor at 30%, tax the idle rich living on dividends at 15% working out for everyone? How much longer can THAT go on?
Tax the poor at 30%??? You really believe poor people are paying 30% in taxes? Perhaps some basic understanding of our progressive tax structure would help you understand why that statement is so incorrect.
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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The number of people on "the dole" in one form or another just keeps growing, how much longer can this go on?

in 2011 nearly half of the population lived in a household that receives some form of government benefit, which in turn accounted for 65% of total federal spending, or $2.5 trillion, and amount to 15% of GDP

United Welfare States of America: In 2011 Nearly Half The Population Received Some Form Of Government Benefit | ZeroHedge
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Especially since something tells us that there will be a peculiar overlap between this 50% and the 50% of Americans that pay zero taxes.
And that's all I needed to read to know that I could not consider anything given as "fact" in this article to be true.

Had the author bothered to clarify (i.e., make accurate) the statement about paying taxes so that (1) the percentages were correct, (2) that it's federal taxes, and not just "taxes", and (3) that a percentage of those paying no federal income taxes include some of the very wealthy in this country, I might have thought that the rest could possibly be worth my time. But an author that lazy and/or willfully inaccurate isn't worth anyone's time.

As an aside, I searched for information about the author, and I found that "Tyler Durden is a reference to the lead character in Fight Club. It's the pseudonym for Zero Hedge's key author(s) used to hide their identities."
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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The number of people on "the dole" in one form or another just keeps growing, how much longer can this go on?

in 2011 nearly half of the population lived in a household that receives some form of government benefit, which in turn accounted for 65% of total federal spending, or $2.5 trillion, and amount to 15% of GDP


United Welfare States of America: In 2011 Nearly Half The Population Received Some Form Of Government Benefit | ZeroHedge
Then we only have 35% more to work on before the people get all the money back which is stolen from them to protect Israel and Exxon-Mobile.

That 35% must include me, since I've never received squat back.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes Social Security, and VA disability is welfare. The money ISNT YOURS, and you receive it as WELFARE PAYMENTS.

Thats why their obligations arent counted towards the national debt.
Then by that definition, your retirement income makes you a recipient of corporate welfare, right?

I'm sure all those who paid into SS and those military folks who spent 4 or 5 tours in the sandbox during their career would be impressed to know you think all that resulted in them being welfare queens.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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And here is the problem with the american education system.

Allowing you to keep YOUR MONEY, isnt welfare nor is it government spending.
Did the OP include earned income credit? Because by your definition that would be "keeping your money". See because EITC is a credit against taxes due. Many people using it REDUCE their tax liability but don't actually take money they didn't pay in.

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Old 01-23-2012, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Just to be clear the title of the thread misstates reality. 1/2 of Americans may live in a home where someone in that home receives a government check, that does not mean that 1/2 the population benefits from that check. There are many multi generational households where the elderly may be getting SS or a young grandkid is getting aid to dependent children. In either case, the recipient is the only one that benefits from the check. In many of your "INVENTIVE" stats, the only aid received is a free meal for a kid at school. How does that aid transfer to the whole household? Completely bogus stat.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:07 AM
 
Location: FL
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By definition, yes.. Some form of government benefits = welfare

welfare: aid to people in need: financial aid and other benefits for people who are unemployed, below a specific income level, or otherwise requiring assistance, especially when provided by a government agency or program

I ignored the rest of your babble since you ignored the definition of the word.
Many people that get Social Security are not in need! Neither are the people that get a nice pension.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:08 AM
 
Location: FL
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So, Social Security and VA disability are "welfare?" Or, military retirement?

There IS a difference, you know, between earned benefits and assistance. The OP's website doesn't make that distinction and, apparently, neither to do you.
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Hey, found a scary stat. Almost 100% of the US population lives within 5 miles of someone receiving aid. And similarly, nearly 100% knows someone currently receiving aid. Apparently it is a widespread problem....


How about you wingnuts get your family and friends off all aid. Red states consume tax dollars paid by blue states.

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Old 01-23-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Did the OP include earned income credit? Because by your definition that would be "keeping your money". See because EITC is a credit against taxes due. Many people using it REDUCE their tax liability but don't actually take money they didn't pay in.
How about tax deductions and credits? Especially tax credits.
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