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Old 02-03-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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Coming up in the next year, it is planned to slash the overbloated military spending (the #1 cause of our deficit issues) by 109 billion to kick-start getting the federal deficit back on track, but the GOP has other ideas.
The senate GOP has now made proposals to throw 5% of federal employees in the unemployment line, just so they can continue their massive spending.

So much for the "less spending!" GOP

Military cuts would be spared under GOP senators' pitch - Charles Hoskinson - POLITICO.com
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Old 02-03-2012, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Coming up in the next year, it is planned to slash the overbloated military spending (the #1 cause of our deficit issues) by 109 billion to kick-start getting the federal deficit back on track, but the GOP has other ideas.
The senate GOP has now made proposals to throw 5% of federal employees in the unemployment line, just so they can continue their massive spending.

So much for the "less spending!" GOP

Military cuts would be spared under GOP senators' pitch - Charles Hoskinson - POLITICO.com
You should branch out your reading some. That 5% reduction in the Federal workforce will be through attrition only. They're not putting any Federal employees on the unemployment line.

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Under the measure, about $127 billion would be saved by scaling back the 2 million-strong federal civilian workforce through attrition and freezing its pay.

A 5 percent cut in personnel would translate to about 100,000 jobs. Agencies would only be able to hire two people for every three who retire or leave government employment.
Republicans eye government jobs to limit defense cuts | Reuters
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I hate to break it to you, chief......but massive cuts in military spending will amount to massive job losses. People do have jobs building the U.S. military machine ya know.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:18 AM
 
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Tempest,

As a federal worker, I'm reading it all with interest. No current federal workers will end up on unemployment because of this. It will be a 5% reduction due to attrition. According to John McCain, that 5% reduction will take up to 10 years to accomplish. I think that's okay.

As for the military budget, it does need to be cut and cutting it will result in a huge amount job losses at places like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, et al where they are FAT FAT FAT off of military government contracts. If they cut as much as they think they want to, it will accelerate attrition in personnel at the DoD government level because the programs will shrink.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:22 AM
 
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I agree that the military budget needs to be slashed. Though every department of the government needs to get budget cuts. We cannot afford the level of Government that Washington has burdened us with.

The military is 20% of the Fed budget, while social programs account for 60%. The left's financial solution is always a call to gut the military, but keep hands off entitlements. In fact, let's create more entitlements. Not only is entitlement spending the biggest burden on our budget, it's also the fastest growing expenditure. More people are on food stamps today than ever before. Baby boomers are starting to draw from Social Security. We're facing a very serious and uncomfortable problem that nobody in Washington (outside of the few like Ryan and Paul) is willing to address.

While the military is far too large, it's not the looming financial disaster that our rapidly growing social spending is.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:24 AM
 
Location: southern california
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u make a good point a good post, does not matter GOP or DEM, the occupant of the oval office is a renter, the landlord is DOD and chevron. we have been at war 10 years.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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Tempest,

As a federal worker, I'm reading it all with interest. No current federal workers will end up on unemployment because of this. It will be a 5% reduction due to attrition. According to John McCain, that 5% reduction will take up to 10 years to accomplish. I think that's okay.

As for the military budget, it does need to be cut and cutting it will result in a huge amount job losses at places like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, et al where they are FAT FAT FAT off of military government contracts. If they cut as much as they think they want to, it will accelerate attrition in personnel at the DoD government level because the programs will shrink.
Any job that will no longer be there is essentially a job lost. Implementing something along these lines just to keep the massive military spending in tact is ridiculous. It's also very hypocritical that the GOP is the supposed party of "less spending!" but once it comes time to cut "their" spending, they want others to flip the bill.
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Any job that will no longer be there is essentially a job lost. Implementing something along these lines just to keep the massive military spending in tact is ridiculous. It's also very hypocritical that the GOP is the supposed party of "less spending!" but once it comes time to cut "their" spending, they want others to flip the bill.
Yes, a 5% cut equates to jobs loss; however, I was specifically addressing your statement of "throw 5% of federal employees in the unemployment line" because that's not what is going to happen. That statement is political rhetoric and I just want to make sure the reality is what gets put out there.

As for the GOP and their hypocrisy--sure, that's a given but I'm sure the GOP thinks the same of the DEMS and that could be argued all day.

It's all a matter of what you think is a waste. While entitlement spending is also huge, at least the SS part is funded primarily by workers. Is our entitlement spending more wasteful that what we throw away on unneccessary weapons programs or wars? What's the better investment?
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Old 02-03-2012, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Coming up in the next year, it is planned to slash the overbloated military spending (the #1 cause of our deficit issues) by 109 billion to kick-start getting the federal deficit back on track, but the GOP has other ideas.
The senate GOP has now made proposals to throw 5% of federal employees in the unemployment line, just so they can continue their massive spending.

So much for the "less spending!" GOP

Military cuts would be spared under GOP senators' pitch - Charles Hoskinson - POLITICO.com
uhm the defense budget is not bloated compared to the rest of the federal budget


we spend about the same as every other country on defense as a percentage of Gdp/gnp

our defense budget is only 3.8% of our GNP....china spends 3.5% of its gdp on military.......right in comparision with the rest of the world at 2-6%

defense spending as a % of GDP puts us at #27

we spend LESS now than we have in the last 30 years (adjusted for inflation)

our current defense budget.....676 billion

carters 1980 defense budget 303.1 billion....in todays dollars is 834.1 billion dollars


bush1's 1990 523 billion dollar(WAR (desert storm)) budget....903 billion in todays dollars



you want to cut spending..then look at what has INCREASED since 2008
from 2008 to present:
defense spending has increased 16%....... 593b to 673b
medicare spending has increase 29%....... 386b to 498b
medicaid spending has increased 44%..... 201b to 299b.....medicare/ciad makes up nearly 800 billion of our spending and is INCREASED big time each year
ss spending has increased 17% ........ 612B to 719b....by fy2015 it is projected to be 890 billion....for fy2017 breaks the trillion mark 1.007 trillion

cut ALL the spending

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Old 02-03-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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Coming up in the next year, it is planned to slash the overbloated military spending (the #1 cause of our deficit issues) {snip}

Really??? So the $5 trillion in new debt
Obama has spent in three short years, and the $137 billion per month in deficit spending, was mostly spent on the military?????
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