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Old 10-03-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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This seems to be one of the more honest polls out there lately (that doesn't place the bar very high, I know). They actually admit straightforwardly, right in the text, that they asked a lot more Dems that Republicans. In most polls, you have to dig really deep into the raw numbers to find this out.

The other interesting thing is that the lopsided oversampling of Democrats, is cited among the LIKELY VOTERS. Oversampling of the raw samples they took, isn't mentioned in this poll. In many polls, the oversampling of Democrats is far greater among ALL the people they asked, than among those they decide are "likely voters".

Interestingly, that means that most of these polls are finding that a greater percentage of Republicans are "more likely" to vote than Democrats. What does that tell you about what the turnout on Nov. 6 is likely to be?

But, back to the subject: In this National Journal poll, they frankly admit that they included far more "likely voter" Democrats than "likely voter" Republicans in the final sample, from which their conclusions are drawn.

And after asking 24% more LV Democrats, did Obama get 24% more votes? No, he got 0% more votes than Romney in the final count.

This means that, if 24% more Dems actually vote on Nov. 6 than Republicans, the outcome will be a tie, or very close to that.

But what if, say, equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans vote on Nov. 6? It won't be a tie then.

The polls states that they asked a lopsided number of Democrats, because a lopsided number voted in the 2008 election. They are assuming the same lopsided number will also vote in 2012.

Just one little problem: In the most recent national election (2010), more Republicans voted than Democrats.

And recent trends show even more Republicans registering, expressing high interest and enthusiasm for voting in this coming election; while Democrats are disappointed, dispirited, and otherwise not so interested in voting this time.

It is highly likely that Republicans will turn out in greater numbers on Nov. 6 than Democrats... just as they did two years ago.

This poll also points out that Independents (the other major voting bloc) favor Romney over Obama by a large margin. If any of them vote, it will tip the balance in favor of Romney. And if LOTS of them vote, it will tip the balance HEAVILY toward Romney.

The bell is tolling, Democrats. And it is tolling for YOU.

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Obama, Romney Tied Among Likely Voters - NationalJournal.com

Obama, Romney Tied Among Likely Voters

By Shane Goldmacher
Updated: October 3, 2012 | 9:58 a.m.
October 2, 2012 | 8:00 p.m.

President Obama and Mitt Romney are deadlocked among likely voters as they prepare to square off in their first presidential debate, according to the latest United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll.

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Romney led in the poll among independents, 49 percent to 41 percent, with both candidates winning more than 90 percent support from their respective parties.

In estimating the turnout on Nov. 6, the poll projects an electorate that is 74 percent white, 11 percent African-American, and 8 percent Latino. The likely-voter party splits are 36 percent Democratic, 29 percent Republican, and 30 percent independent.

The estimates are similar to the 2008 turnout, when, according to CNN exit polling, 74 percent of voters were white, 13 percent black, and 9 percent Latino, with Democratic turnout at 39 percent, Republicans at 32 percent, and independents at 29 percent.

(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)

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Old 10-03-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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This National Journal poll has also been included in RealClearPolitics' average of polls.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Obama by 3.1 percent.
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Old 10-03-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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National polls have been close, for a while. National polls don't mean ****.

Ask George W. Bush what the popular vote means.
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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What will the percentage be if Republicans and Dems vote in equal numbers, as they are likely to on Nov. 6??
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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What will the percentage be if Republicans and Dems vote in equal numbers, as they are likely to on Nov. 6??

It doesn't matter if every person in Tennessee, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, and every other southern state votes for Romney by 100%.

Its all about electoral votes, and thats why its a state by state race, and its why losing Ohio, Wisconsin, and one other "swing" state will end the election.

Romney has about a 20% chance of winning this election. The polls clearly show people are feeling better about the economy, and no one seems to give to much of a damn about foreign policy.

Again, you can win the popular vote, and lose the election. Remember 2000?
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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As Charlie Cook has pointed out, in 53of 56 presidential elections, the popular vote winner and electoral vote winner have been the same guy. That's a 94% rate. By election day I expect that things will have shifted one way or the other.

If we do have a replay of 2000, I think there is at least some possibility of serious civil unrest.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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As Charlie Cook has pointed out, in 53of 56 presidential elections, the popular vote winner and electoral vote winner have been the same guy. That's a 94% rate. By election day I expect that things will have shifted one way or the other.

If we do have a replay of 2000, I think there is at least some possibility of serious civil unrest.
I agree with you, but "lil acorn" is fixated on the national polls and how close they are because its the only place Romney is really winning anything in polls. But national polls don't mean ****.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:34 PM
 
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I agree with you, but "lil acorn" is fixated on the national polls and how close they are because its the only place Romney is really winning anything in polls. But national polls don't mean ****.
I hasten to add...

Ah when Romney is ahead the polls are correct. Funny how that works.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:32 PM
 
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I agree with you, but "lil acorn" is fixated on the national polls and how close they are because its the only place Romney is really winning anything in polls. But national polls don't mean ****.
Perhaps Lil Acorn's point is that the race is not over, as many Democrats seem to want us to think. I look at Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls almost every day, and ignore the rest as noise. These two update every day. For the past week, Gallup has had Obama with a 5-6 point lead, and Rasmussen about 0-3, for an average of somewhere between 2.5 and 4.5. The election will probably hinge on turnout.
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