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Old 02-07-2012, 05:58 AM
 
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No one asked us to police the world, so why do we meddle around in everyone else's business? Maybe if we stayed out of other peoples' business we wouldn't harbor so much political ill will and terrorism against us. We could also save billions in tax.payer dollars by staying out of unnecessary military conflicts. Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Sweden, Finland all manage to stay off the world's stage yet maintain just as high or even higher standards of living and nobody hates them.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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No one asked us to police the world, so why do we meddle around in everyone else's business? Maybe if we stayed out of other peoples' business we wouldn't harbor so much political ill will and terrorism against us. We could also save billions in tax.payer dollars by staying out of unnecessary military conflicts. Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Sweden, Finland all manage to stay off the world's stage yet maintain just as high or even higher standards of living and nobody hates them.

I agree. Next time there's a tsunami or an earthquake we shouldn't meddle in anyone else's business. Countries like Haiti are surely sick of our meddling. Africa has certainly proven to be a wise investment of U.S. funds as well.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:19 AM
 
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No one asked us to police the world, so why do we meddle around in everyone else's business? Maybe if we stayed out of other peoples' business we wouldn't harbor so much political ill will and terrorism against us. We could also save billions in tax.payer dollars by staying out of unnecessary military conflicts. Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Sweden, Finland all manage to stay off the world's stage yet maintain just as high or even higher standards of living and nobody hates them.
I think after two world wars the US decided that they had to be involved to try to prevent WW3. I kind of agree with you to a certain extent however.

You have to remember that the richest 1% control the policies of this country so the military is used to look after their interests. It would take a true revolution at home here to take the power away from them and actually use our military for what it's supposed to be for, defending our borders, not our "interests" as they say. We defend Apple Computer's right to hire Chinese to make our electronic toys for pennies.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We also use our Military as a Hit Squad to murder any leader that threatens the petroleum industry's control of the world's oil supply or the currency used for the trade. We did not go to war in Iraq because of 9/11 we went there to kill Saddam Husain because he was going to sell oil to Europe in Euros and the industry could not let that happen. We aided the killing of Gadify (sp) for the same reason. If we want to stop being the oil industry's mobsters we need to stop meddling.

In addition to resigning as the World's thugs we also need to establish countervailing tariffs to restore the industrialization of the United States. Unlike popular belief, at least the belief of Freidman, the world is not flat. It is heavily biased to support the first world usurers in their unending quest to remove any and all wealth from the second and third worlds as well as any wealth from the workers in the first world. The world economics is not some real capitalists dream but a rigged casino designed to impoverish everyone but the owners of the casino. Protecting our own investment in our own country would deprive these thieves of their enforcer’s as well as their monopoly.

We have enough work that needs doing in this country that we could keep the workers in our Military Industrial complex working after we decreased our military spending to what is needed to defend our country and not some false flag oil shipper from Somalia pirates. We need to stop the hubristic attempts to force countries to accept our form of corrupt government over their home grown version. Afghanistan does not want to be an Americanized Democracy. It wants to be a 10th century tribal chaos. That is their choice not ours. The maximum we should be doing is offering asylum to any Afghani women that want to escape the hell of their Muslim nightmare.

So, yes, America needs to become more isolated in order to maintain our own standard of living and independence. We need it for both moral and financial reasons. We need to put America first. This includes taking the moral j=high ground of providing aid to anyplace struck by a natural tragedy like Haiti and Japan.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:47 AM
 
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No one asked us to police the world, so why do we meddle around in everyone else's business? Maybe if we stayed out of other peoples' business we wouldn't harbor so much political ill will and terrorism against us. We could also save billions in tax.payer dollars by staying out of unnecessary military conflicts. Canada, Australia, new Zealand, Sweden, Finland all manage to stay off the world's stage yet maintain just as high or even higher standards of living and nobody hates them.
You man like ignoring the fact that if left alone some dictators will commit acts of genocide on their people and others? Or that if left alone some countries will harbour terrorists and support them with money, supplies and information so that they can attack and kill innocent people? That sort of isolationisim, because that is what we are talking about? Let me ask this, what would Jesus want us to do, look the other way while we have the power to stop evil? Should we worry about what bullies and terrorists think of us when we go after them? Do you stand by and watch when a bully picks on others? I do not, if you wish to do so, then in my opinion you are part of the problem and not the solution. Now it is time for some here to go ahead an label me a warmonger, at least I have the backbone and morals to back up my position, so I will wear the title with pride.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Yes, we should isolate ourselves militarily. I have no problem with voicing opposition to countries like Syria and Iran. I don't necessarily have a problem with funding and supporting rebels in countries like Syria.

But we shouldn't be involving ourselves militarily, or continuing to maintain bases where the war was over, over 60 years ago.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We are NOT the world's police. We do not have the responsibility to control the world's dictators and psychotic monsters. If people are tyrannized they have to over through the tyrants themselves. Just as we have to over through the financial terrorists of Wall Street, the World Bank and International Oil that are tyrannizing us.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:59 AM
 
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You man like ignoring the fact that if left alone some dictators will commit acts of genocide on their people and others? Or that if left alone some countries will harbour terrorists and support them with money, supplies and information so that they can attack and kill innocent people? That sort of isolationisim, because that is what we are talking about? Let me ask this, what would Jesus want us to do, look the other way while we have the power to stop evil? Should we worry about what bullies and terrorists think of us when we go after them? Do you stand by and watch when a bully picks on others? I do not, if you wish to do so, then in my opinion you are part of the problem and not the solution. Now it is time for some here to go ahead an label me a warmonger, at least I have the backbone and morals to back up my position, so I will wear the title with pride.
Morals? lol
I guess you want to ignore the innocent people America kills with it's interventions.
What body count is acceptable to you?
America has become the biggest meddling bully terrorist of all.
You want to see evil? look at the actions of our own administrations first (after you remove your phony flag decorated blinders)

Go enlist and if you are too old, make sure your kids do a stint, if they are too old make sure your grandkids join up lest you be another Cheny chickenhawk.
And please donate extra to the pentagon, as the rest of us are tired for paying for your empire and faux humanitarian causes.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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I agree. Next time there's a tsunami or an earthquake we shouldn't meddle in anyone else's business. Countries like Haiti are surely sick of our meddling. Africa has certainly proven to be a wise investment of U.S. funds as well.
Right. Quit sending our money to the darkies!

Meanwhile, wise investments are as follows: 3 billion a year to Israel, 20 or so billion a year for a South Korean defense subsidy, unknown billions for a Japanese defense subsidy, countless billions for a European defense subsidy, and more untold billions for a Middle Eastern defense subsidy.

But hey, at least those folks aren't black, right.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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Right. Quit sending our money to the darkies!

Meanwhile, wise investments are as follows: 3 billion a year to Israel, 20 or so billion a year for a South Korean defense subsidy, unknown billions for a Japanese defense subsidy, countless billions for a European defense subsidy, and more untold billions for a Middle Eastern defense subsidy.

But hey, at least those folks aren't black, right.
I'd like my corrupt politicians to quit stealing my money to give to someone elses corrupt tin pot dictator. All foreign aid is a fraud.
You are always free to donate to a cause of your own choice.
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