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What are you babbling about? Most of this discussion has been regarding private and employer-based insurance plans, so the gubberment isn't suckling anyone in those cases. I pay for my own insurance, so don't I have the right to be given a plan that meets my needs?
Yes. But you may not do so by trampling on the rights of others.
Yes. But you may not do so by trampling on the rights of others.
Please explain how I'm trampling on the rights of anyone? Even if I did work for a religious-based organization (which I do not), the religious employees still have a right to not use that one benefit... and the non-religious employee have the right to use these benefits if needed. Seems pretty fair to me! Unless the government changes anti-discrimination laws, thus allowing an employer to only hire people of one religious faith or race, they need to provide adequate health care options for ALL of their employees. Sorry, but your right to practice religion does not cancel out my right to receive needed medical care.
Edit: I should specify Catholic instead of generic "religious," since they're the only ones who seem to care about this issue - despite the fact that the majority of Catholics actually do practice safe sex. I'm a semi-practicing Jew myself, and we have no laws against using birth control (at least not in the Reform sect).
What are you babbling about? Most of this discussion has been regarding private and employer-based insurance plans, so the gubberment isn't suckling anyone in those cases. I pay for my own insurance, so don't I have the right to be given a plan that meets my needs?
Government mandated, dear; forcing employers to provide adult recreation protection for overgrown babies who don't want the responsibility of babies nor the personal responsibility for ensuring they don't end up with one.
Please explain how I'm trampling on the rights of anyone? Even if I did work for a religious-based organization (which I do not), the religious employees still have a right to not use that one benefit... and the non-religious employee have the right to use these benefits if needed. Seems pretty fair to me! Unless the government changes anti-discrimination laws, thus allowing an employer to only hire people of one religious faith or race, they need to provide adequate health care options for ALL of their employees. Sorry, but your right to practice religion does not cancel out my right to receive needed medical care.
Edit: I should specify Catholic instead of generic "religious," since they're the only ones who seem to care about this issue - despite the fact that the majority of Catholics actually do practice safe sex. I'm a semi-practicing Jew myself, and we have no laws against using birth control (at least not in the Reform sect).
Great. Then don't go work for a Catholic Organization or if you do, simply go buy your own b/c instead of demanding the wall between church and state be dismantled.
As much as I appreciate your insight as a pharmacist and reasonable tone, I think that you are skirting the issue with semantics.
Viagra is used for ED. Men want erections so they can have sex. It is against Catholic church doctrine for men to have sex outside of marriage, or with other men. Nevertheless, the church insurance plans will cover Viagra without asking a man if he is married, or if he intends to have sex with his wife or someone else.
Oral contraceptives are used to treat a variety of illnesses in addition to preventing contraception. It is against Catholic church doctrine for people to use OC's to prevent conception. Nevertheless, church insurance plans will not cover OC's, and do not give women the benefit of the doubt that they are using them for a medical condition rather than to prevent pregnancy.
I think it is clear that women and their health issues are being treated in a discriminatory fashion, even considering the church's teachings on sex.
You've indicated today that the church does, in some circumstance, pay for OC's used to treat other conditions. I have no idea if that is true or not.
No, I have never indicated the church pays for OCs ! I have said as much. I have also indicated that the drugs we are talking about have specific uses. You want or expect the church to ask men an additional question, than it does woman, that is discriminatory. The church only wants to know what the drug is used for in both instances. You want the church to be invasive. That is a strange position.
Great. Then don't go work for a Catholic Organization or if you do, simply go buy your own b/c instead of demanding the wall between church and state be dismantled.
You took the words out of my mouth. Gizmo - you are trampling on the rights of the Catholic organisations by requiring them to provide something they find morally wrong. No one is forced to work anywhere. People leave jobs all the time because they are dissatisfied with some aspect of it - options in their health insurance could be one of them. This would be a non-issue anyway if government would butt out of an area it does not belong in. Unfortunately - until we stop the ridiculous regulation - an insurance provider will not be free to cover contraceptives or to not cover them - establishing a free market where all needs are met fairly.
Yes, my point is that an insurer may disagree that a particular drug is effective for a particular condition and refuse to cover it. That is a different circumstance from refusing to provide treatment for a condition in the form of hormonal BC for fear that it will be used as BC, even when it is not.
No, no, no. There are specific clinical perameters, a group that is paying for the insurance policies, agrees to pay for. Since most insured have no idea about clinical issues, they choose among, what is described as a cafeteria plan. One from column a, one from column b. certain organizations have special perameters, because of special circumstances, like religious organizations.
The church may not be against erections, but it is against sex outside of marriage. So, shouldn't a man be required to prove he is married if he wants Viagra, just as a woman would be required to prove she needs the pill to treat a medical problem?
No, the church is consistent. They have the same requirements for men and women. What is the clinical condition the drug is intended to treat. Each person has an informed conscience, the church isn't intended to be, nor do I suspect it wants to be, a bab sitter.
You took the words out of my mouth. Gizmo - you are trampling on the rights of the Catholic organisations by requiring them to provide something they find morally wrong.
First of all, I'm not personally doing anything to anyone... I work for a county institution, and pay into my own benefits (50% since I'm not full-time) monthly. And seeing as I'm also not an elected official, you can stop with the personally-directed comments right now.
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No one is forced to work anywhere. People leave jobs all the time because they are dissatisfied with some aspect of it - options in their health insurance could be one of them. This would be a non-issue anyway if government would butt out of an area it does not belong in. Unfortunately - until we stop the ridiculous regulation - an insurance provider will not be free to cover contraceptives or to not cover them - establishing a free market where all needs are met fairly.
What if you're a nurse, and the only hospital in town is a Catholic Hospital? We're not talking about working for a church, we are talking about general places of employment (sometimes the LARGEST employers in a certain region) who employ folks of all religious backgrounds. I could say "if you don't want to offer comprehensive medical coverage, open a private church-run business and stop accepting government subsidies." Fair enough?
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