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Old 02-27-2012, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Still an albatross around obama/dems necks.

Swing states poll: Health care victories hurt Obama and Romney in 2012

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WASHINGTON – The health care overhaul that President Obama intended to be the signature achievement of his first term instead has become a significant problem in his bid for a second one, uniting Republicans in opposition and eroding his standing among independents.

In a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of the nation's dozen top battleground states, a clear majority of registered voters call the bill's passage "a bad thing" and support its repeal if a Republican wins the White House in November.
Good thing ALL the GOP candidates will repeal if elected.

An amazing 76% say the mandate is unconstitutional, regardless of whether they personally support the law.

Interestingly, Santorum polls better against obama than Romney, but not by much.

Obamacare, the gift that just won't stop giving.

Probably THE worst mistake of this disaster's presidency.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:20 AM
 
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Emmanuel told the President that pushing healthcare reform in his first term could potentially make him a one term President. His response was that they were sent to Washington to do great things.

Most people couldn't tell you whats in the healthcare reform bill. It just has a negative buzz.

Start asking people if children should be denied insurance because of pre-existing conditions, whether people should have lifetime caps on services, whether insurance companies should be able to cancel your insurance without proving fraud, deny health claims without giving you the right to appeal and they'd be for all of those things.

He know it would hurt him politically and did it anyways. That's the kind of politicians you want. Bush did the same thing with Social Security, he just didn't the ideas or the political capital to get it done.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Most people couldn't tell you whats in the healthcare reform bill.
Yeah, a 2700 page monstrosity that no one really read before voting on, AGAINST the will of the people.

Some of the benefits can be continued if repealed, but the way the dems/obama shoved this crap sandwich down the American people's throats doesn't sit well with the electorate.

Great things? This was NOT a great thing done by obama.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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The SC is hearing the case in March and I have a gut feeling they will rule before the election thus making it a non issue.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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Emmanuel told the President that pushing healthcare reform in his first term could potentially make him a one term President. His response was that they were sent to Washington to do great things.
Yes, Obama is such a hero

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Most people couldn't tell you whats in the healthcare reform bill. It just has a negative buzz.
Of course most people who support it don't know what's in it either. It's just "free healthcare! hooray!"

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Start asking people if children should be denied insurance because of pre-existing conditions, whether people should have lifetime caps on services, whether insurance companies should be able to cancel your insurance without proving fraud, deny health claims without giving you the right to appeal and they'd be for all of those things.
Then ask them if the government should dictate to people what healthcare procedures they can and cannot get, if people should be forced by the government to buy insurance whether they want it or not, etc and they're against those things.

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He know it would hurt him politically and did it anyways. That's the kind of politicians you want. Bush did the same thing with Social Security, he just didn't the ideas or the political capital to get it done.
And he used bribery and circumvention of Senate procedures to do it. So is that the kind of politician we want? I don't think so.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Oh no, thanks Mitt, see what you have done...

Wonkbook: Romneycare is working -- and Obamacare might be, too - The Washington Post
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The SC is hearing the case in March and I have a gut feeling they will rule before the election thus making it a non issue.
A non issue?

Oh.....contraire.

If the law is upheld, there will be even more outrage from the electorate, especially conservatives/Independents/republicans who don't like the law to begin with...in other words...a really good reason to get out and vote.

If the law is struck down in whole or part, the fact that the dems/obama shoved this down our throats, against the people's will, wasting a whole year on backroom deals and budget gimmicks to pass an unconstitutional law that is effecting people's plans they were supposed to keep, costing even more than the $2500 non-existent savings we were told to expect...will be a terrible consequence for obama/dems.

Imagine the ads......

In other words, either way...they LOSE.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:40 AM
 
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Emmanuel told the President that pushing healthcare reform in his first term could potentially make him a one term President. His response was that they were sent to Washington to do great things.

Most people couldn't tell you whats in the healthcare reform bill. It just has a negative buzz.

Start asking people if children should be denied insurance because of pre-existing conditions, whether people should have lifetime caps on services, whether insurance companies should be able to cancel your insurance without proving fraud, deny health claims without giving you the right to appeal and they'd be for all of those things.

He know it would hurt him politically and did it anyways. That's the kind of politicians you want. Bush did the same thing with Social Security, he just didn't the ideas or the political capital to get it done.
Some of your claims make no sense.

"if children should be denied insurance because of pre-existing conditions,"

Children don't get health insurance on their own. They are covered under their parents policies. If the parent has coverage, the children have insurance.

I see nothing wrong with caps. If you want more coverage , you can pay for it. Freedom of choice.

"without giving you the right to appeal". Sorry, you can file for an appeal if you choose. if you are not satisfied you ca go to the state Insurance Commissioner. You are free to file a complaint and appeal with him.

"Bush did the same thing with Social Security, he just didn't the ideas or the political capital to get it done."

Your sentence makes no sense, so I can't respond to it.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Firstly, the legislation was that of Congress, not the President. Many sections were written/supported by the GOP, as well as the Democrats. Secondly, I'd be surprised to learn that as many as 1% of the people asked these questions had seen and/or read the law/regulations. Thirdly, if the people asked read the legislation/regulations they'll find-out how much they or their families or someone they know benefit from it. While I think a section or two of the law may be held unconstitutional, I believe the law will otherwise be upheld.
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:15 AM
 
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If Romney becomes the nominee, it's a non-issue. And if Santorum gets the nomination, nothing matters at all.
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