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Old 03-19-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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What are you suggesting here? That we deny health care to the people that need it the most?
You don't have a choice. It's not like you have the money to continue to let 5% of the population ruin the health care system totally and most of it due to government run health care like medicare and medicaid and the funniest part, coming from the left, is they want more of it.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:10 PM
 
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Well, modern humans have basically quit evolution in favor of humanity. And I think it is a good thing, it sets us apart from animals in the jungle.
There is no quitting evolution. That's like saying you decided not to use electromagnetic radiation anymore because it's like soooo old school.

What you're doing is simply burying yourself in mountains and mountains of debt to come to the same conclusion, people die.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:15 PM
 
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Genetically yes, but we are way more than that.
Every doctor, every hospital, every relief organization etc. is a slap in the face of old-fashioned evolution.
Old fashioned evolution?

The only reason you are here is because of old fashioned evolution.

Markets evolve. Businesses evolve. In fact the entire universe is self-correcting, everything takes the path of least resistance and everything is looking to equalize all the time regardless of if it's convenient for you or not.

What you're simply trying to do by skirting evolution is your pulling the rubber band back as far as you can hoping it'll continue to pull for forever. The U.S. did that with globalization, trying to run the world without sharing any resources or really helping countries it entered, and now you're reaping the benefit of not helping those countries and instead robbing them blind of their resources.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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The selfishness that is exhibited by about 1/2 the country.
What part of unsustainable debt load is hard to comprehend?

The total unfunded liabilities of liberal la la land are well over $100 trillion dollars of the next 35 years.

That's $3 trillion a year which is more than you even collect in revenue without the Bush/Obama tax cuts and massive taxes on the rich.

The of course you have the rest of the economy to pay for like defense and education and the like.

You guys answers? Tax and spend more and create new entitlements out of your a-hole.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:46 PM
 
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I think you exaggerate. It certainly needs changing, however, there is much that is right about it as well.
What?
It works fine when you can afford it but for many it isn't affordable. Yes, you can say that there is medicaid but many people don't qualify and can't afford to purchase health insurance.
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:41 PM
 
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What?
It works fine when you can afford it but for many it isn't affordable. Yes, you can say that there is medicaid but many people don't qualify and can't afford to purchase health insurance.
The laws of supply and demand reign supreme.

What you currently have is huge demand and a hospital cartel that is limiting supply.

Naturally, of course, you would want to get rid of the hospital cartels that are limiting supply so they don't lose out on market share.

Then you need to address demand. Those people that visit hospitals three to six times a month need to be told at some point the gig is up. Sorry about your bad luck but we can't make you feel good any longer because you've exhausted your feel good fund.

You want affordable? Get rid of centralized everything and that includes hospital cartels and centralized government programs like medicare and medicaid. Implement a more specialized based system where there are many small clinics as close as they're viable to the needs of the population and that'll include lots of ear, eyes, nose and throat clinics. It'll include specialized centers like kidney specialist, heart specialist and brain specialist. If the market doesn't allow for them because they're not able to stay viable then that's just the way it is.

Finally, you need to put a limit on how much a life is worth. Sounds callous but you have no other choice because at the current rate of 5% of the population spending half of your health care monies you're on a unsustainable path.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:00 PM
 
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You don't have a choice. It's not like you have the money to continue to let 5% of the population ruin the health care system totally and most of it due to government run health care like medicare and medicaid and the funniest part, coming from the left, is they want more of it.
Its a good idea. Only allow healthy people to have access to health care and that should bring costs down quite a lot.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:05 PM
 
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You know what's true of subsidation, you get more of it.

So what does subsidizing bad health with unlimited health care?
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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The German system won't work here. Almost all healthcare reform around the world has involved making insurance companies into non-profit corporations thus giving them incentive to provide great service and lower costs instead of increasing prices.

This would never work in the US. The insurance lobby is extremely strong and they'd just funnel a few hundred million into having every Republican scream that the government was taking over insurance companies. Real effective change can't happen here largely because there are too many uninformed, uneducated religious wackos here.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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The German system won't work here. Almost all healthcare reform around the world has involved making insurance companies into non-profit corporations thus giving them incentive to provide great service and lower costs instead of increasing prices.

This would never work in the US. The insurance lobby is extremely strong and they'd just funnel a few hundred million into having every Republican scream that the government was taking over insurance companies. Real effective change can't happen here largely because there are too many uninformed, uneducated religious wackos here.
The way it works in Switzerland is that the insurance companies have to provide the basic level of health care in a not-for-profit mode. But they can - and do - make money selling higher levels of coverage.

In the UK and France, basic coverage is guaranteed by the government but insurance companies do very well selling 'top-up' coverage which provides a better level of service to the insured.

There are enough people who care/worry enough about their health to be willing to pay more.
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