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I don't advocate for laws that protect one person simply because that one person exists. Neither do the legislative bodies scattered across this nation.
What, you can't figure out who in the town had an abortion?
Wasn't that your question?
What is it you always say - nice deflection?
You realize you could figure out who a large percentage of the women would be using the published data, right? Or are you unable to employ analytical thinking?
That's okay, there are plenty of nutjobs out there who will figure it out for you.
True. In a small town, a woman was pregnant, now she isn't, and oh look, a woman in our town who fits her description just had an abortion. Then again, in small towns, everyone seems to know what's what even without this extra info.
But if the obscure data was made public, and represented as state-wide, and not by individual towns, then would that be ok?
Firstly, if the woman is less than 4 months pregnant, you wouldn't know it unless she told you.
But I would imagine it would be a common thing for people to scour the website looking for people's data from their counties. Perfect for the town busy body.
My question is, what is the purpose of doing this at all? Publishing statistical data collated and broken down is one thing, but this bill would have posted the info from the actual form the individual filled out prior to the procedure.
It's the motivation that bothers me the most, and the callous disregard for the consequences thereof.
I was not commenting on any of that, just pointing out how pro-abortion types claim to be self righteous because they think they can absolve themselves for killing the unborn by essentially claiming "at least I care about them once they are born." Where does the knee jerk comment come from, that a person who is pro-life abandons concern for children once they are born?
Well, if it's okay to kill a retard or a cripple in the womb, why not after they take a breath?
If it's ok to kill an unborn in the womb over economic concerns, why not after they are born, and the family falls on hard times? After all, "do you support public assistance for her to take care of it?"
Make your case for being for abortion, but don't rely on a crutch, and use that ignorant attack against people, as if they do not care about children once they are born.
If the anti-abortion advocates were thoughtful about the issue, they would realize that rather than criminalize women who choose abortion, the more productive path would be to examine the reasons why the choices are made. And to address those reasons. You cannot remove the health risks that are a part of child-bearing, but you can make health care more affordable for pregnant women. You can make sure that the woman isn't financially penalized for being pregnant, and we DO penalize women, especially single women, financially. You can work to make daycare more affordable, so that a woman can work after the birth of a child. You can provide better protection for women who are in abusive relationships. There are numerous reasons why women choose to have abortions, and the reasons are valid. It's valid to consider the financial repercussions of another child when you already have children. The majority of women seeking abortion already have at least one child. It's valid to consider your safety and the safety of your children, born and unborn, when you are in a risky environment. It's valid to consider the financial impact of being pregnant and having a child. It's valid to worry about a pregnancy interrupting one's education, and possibly preventing a person from ever reaching their educational goals.
Women faced with an unwanted pregnancy think long and hard about the impact that the pregnancy will have on their lives and the lives of those around them. They shouldn't be criminalized for considering themselves and the family they already have. It's not selfish to do so. It's not irresponsible or immoral to do so.
And when people opposed to abortion try to blame the woman, and to shame the woman, rather than actually working to provide a better society for women and their children, it does lead those of us who do support women's rights to wonder, why? Aren't the lives of these women and their existing children of value? And if so, how do we as a society show we value the lives of women and their existing children?
Firstly, if the woman is less than 4 months pregnant, you wouldn't know it unless she told you.
But I would imagine it would be a common thing for people to scour the website looking for people's data from their counties. Perfect for the town busy body.
My question is, what is the purpose of doing this at all? Publishing statistical data collated and broken down is one thing, but this bill would have posted the info from the actual form the individual filled out prior to the procedure.
It's the motivation that bothers me the most, and the callous disregard for the consequences thereof.
Or they live in a big city, and like the politicians who live in the New York City/ Washington DC bubble, they are out of touch and just don't think outside of the box.
You are correct, given the name of a county, the description of the woman, and the name of the physician, it easy in a small town to put the pieces together.
However, if that data did not give the name of a physician or the exact age of the woman, it might be of use to local governments to track trends.
What, you can't figure out who in the town had an abortion?
Wasn't that your question?
What is it you always say - nice deflection?
You realize you could figure out who a large percentage of the women would be using the published data, right? Or are you unable to employ analytical thinking?
That's okay, there are plenty of nutjobs out there who will figure it out for you.
No, that wasn't my question at all. I didn't ask you if you could be a sleuth and do whatever it takes to figure out who got the last abortion. I asked for data from the bill that would definitively point to the person who got the latest abortion.
The Privacy Act stipulates that no personal information can be put into the public domain. This bill does not/did not put private information into the public's hand. If you want to be a private investigator, go for it. But the law was not written for private investigators. It was written to include language that met Privacy Act requirements. Sleuthing is not a consideration, nor should it be.
If the anti-abortion advocates were thoughtful about the issue, they would realize that rather than criminalize women who choose abortion, the more productive path would be to examine the reasons why the choices are made. And to address those reasons. You cannot remove the health risks that are a part of child-bearing, but you can make health care more affordable for pregnant women. You can make sure that the woman isn't financially penalized for being pregnant, and we DO penalize women, especially single women, financially. You can work to make daycare more affordable, so that a woman can work after the birth of a child. You can provide better protection for women who are in abusive relationships. There are numerous reasons why women choose to have abortions, and the reasons are valid. It's valid to consider the financial repercussions of another child when you already have children. The majority of women seeking abortion already have at least one child. It's valid to consider your safety and the safety of your children, born and unborn, when you are in a risky environment. It's valid to consider the financial impact of being pregnant and having a child. It's valid to worry about a pregnancy interrupting one's education, and possibly preventing a person from ever reaching their educational goals.
Women faced with an unwanted pregnancy think long and hard about the impact that the pregnancy will have on their lives and the lives of those around them. They shouldn't be criminalized for considering themselves and the family they already have. It's not selfish to do so. It's not irresponsible or immoral to do so.
And when people opposed to abortion try to blame the woman, and to shame the woman, rather than actually working to provide a better society for women and their children, it does lead those of us who do support women's rights to wonder, why? Aren't the lives of these women and their existing children of value? And if so, how do we as a society show we value the lives of women and their existing children?
I understand all that. I just hate when pro-abort types use that stupid attack, that pro-lifers don't care about children after they are born, but they are pious because they do.
If a woman was raped, or finds out in the first few weeks, I'm not against her preventing that pregnancy. Where I draw the line is abortions for convenience sake, and late term abortions, and killing of sibling fetus because a woman does not want to move out of her cozy Manhattan apartment.
BTW, if you do kill off a sibling in a multi-fetus pregnancy, what do you tell your little five year old when they tell you they wish they had a brother or sister? Do you say "Oh, that's a funny question, cuz you did have a twin sister, but we killed her so you could have all these toys, and a room of your own."
I understand all that. I just hate when pro-abort types use that stupid attack, that pro-lifers don't care about children after they are born, but they are pious because they do.
If a woman was raped, or finds out in the first few weeks, I'm not against her preventing that pregnancy. Where I draw the line is abortions for convenience sake, and late term abortions, and killing of sibling fetus because a woman does not want to move out of her cozy Manhattan apartment.
The problem for me is when people describe an abortion as being for the sake of convenience. The overwhelming majority of women who have abortions agonize over the decision. People sitting in the comfort of their smug self-righteousness, who aren't in her situation, can minimize and demean her reasons, because it's always easy to sit in judgment of others. The fact is, it is HER life that is being impacted. And she does have a life. Society has already made a substantial investment in HER life. If she does not want to move out of her cozy Manhattan apartment because she prefers it to living in poverty or even being homeless, why is that reason dismissed as "convenience"? Let's be honest here, what she's wanting to do is to hold on to her current quality of life. If going through with the pregnancy meant moving to a nicer place, she'd do that. But if going through with a pregnancy means living in poverty, trying to raise a child in poverty, isn't that a legitimate thing for a mother to think about?
No, that wasn't my question at all. I didn't ask you if you could be a sleuth and do whatever it takes to figure out who got the last abortion. I asked for data from the bill that would definitively point to the person who got the latest abortion.
The Privacy Act stipulates that no personal information can be put into the public domain. This bill does not/did not put private information into the public's hand. If you want to be a private investigator, go for it. But the law was not written for private investigators. It was written to include language that met Privacy Act requirements. Sleuthing is not a consideration, nor should it be.
Protecting citizens should be a consideration. That is the basic function of government, after all.
"You can't protect everyone from everything through legislation."
You had to go and burst their bubble.
This legislation would have endangered people. That's why this particular section was REMOVED. You may not be able to protect everyone from everything through legislation, but legislators have an obligation not to endanger individuals through legislation.
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