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Plus the 14-17% VAT tax so your looking at 55-60%. Then there is the 5% solidarity tax whatever that is if this link is correct. But everything is free. lol
Now the Germans are getting mad watching all their tax dollars go to the IMF to bail out the EU.
I think it's pretty obvious by now that America can't handle a National Health Care system. Other countries can, but we can't. We've never had it. You've got idiots that fight it. Other countries have had great ones for years. I mean, who doesn't want health care? Everyone who needs health care wants health care.
America, from Obama back - is a failure. Provide for the general welfare, hah.
There are many ways to get healthcare. The original debate was about the 40+ million who didn't have health INSURANCE. Under Obamacare they were supposed to be taken care of. I read an article that 30+ million will still be uninsured. So there goes that out the window. IN fact many of the ones who were without health INSURANCE and fell into that original group simply didn't want it or qualified for a state or fed program already on the books but didn't sign up. Then you had the squeals about high risk folks. Well why didn't they just address that? Create a high risk pool and be done with it? Well because they didn't really care about people getting healthcare they wanted to impose the government upon us in every way imaginable.
Now if they get the supremes to agree that the federal government can force the citizens to purchase what they deem we need we are in for a world of hurt. Most see the headlines and scream yeah we need to take care of these people but that is not what the bill did.
I won't even get into the cost because the same ones screaming that we have to take care of everybody and "general welfare" think the money fairy pays for it all to begin with so there is no point.
Every uninsured person in America currently gets free health care regardless of the politics.
If you are uninsured, and get shot in the head. You will get free health care.
Really?....... that must explain the over 40,000 Citizens who die each year in the USA from lack of health care or explain the HUGE amount of bankruptcy of hard working Americans who could NOT pay their health costs.
If you have a Emergency you can go to a E.R. and be treated but you will still get a bill for your procedure, even if you cannot afford it. If you contract Cancer or Liver failure or any other disease you will NOT get treatment in a E.R.
America is NOW the only big industrialized nation without a UHC. It is the Only big industrialized nation without a health system for EVERY Citizen.
The situation in the USA where the health system is dictated to by the big insurance companies fails millions of Americans every day and is more expensive than a UHC. Our system here makes Insurance companies rich and poorer citizens sicker and poorer.
Over several years now the premiums for health cover have gone up and up and up........... nothing to do with the affordable health care act but just pure greed by the big companies.
I spoke to a Govt.employee at our local Govt. office a while back who told me that she gets regular well woman health checks from her work related health cover BUT she also said that if she was diagnosed with cancer, her health cover does NOT cover treatment for cancer... outrageous!
If "Obama care" gets overturned then a green light will be given to the private insurance companies to raise their premiums to whatever price they like and the cost will be to everyday Americans in money and even death.
This present system has failed millions of Americans and having Insurance based health care as the primary health system is wrong on so many levels.
No other industrialized Country is having this heated debate about health care.... why?...... because a Govt. funded health system works and works well for the benefit of everyone from before birth to the grave....I know this for a fact because i have used both systems and the UHC does not treat you as a commodity but as a important citizen who's health care comes before profit.
America needs a UHC desperately and evidence from all of the Countries who have a UHC shows that it works for all of us.... even Iraq now has a better health system than America with new Hospitals being built and all Citizens getting access to health care...... paid by our tax dollars.
Get real here.......... get your heads out of the sand and put Americans before profit........ it works everywhere else but of course the bank accounts of the CEO's is far more important than human life and suffering......
The ACA is a question already asked and answered, but in the way of news, we have some info on the attempt to end Medicare. Think it will fare better than the last attempt?
When the CBO conveniently scored the legislation at under $1T, as Obama "mandated" it would be...... I knew it was all a farce....one big lie.....right then and there. How did I know? Because Congress is not smart enough to craft a bill with a specific price tag. In a market based society, theres absolutely NO WAY to understand the multitudes of forces that will impact the costs of any given legislation. The difficulty of doing so is infinite when talking about a nationwide policy rooted in the massive healthcare system.
Now the costs have doubled from the original CBO scoring. The Affordable Care Act was one big lie perpetrated on America. It needs to be repealed, if for no other reason than that we as American's should not accept being lied to by our elected leaders.
When knew at the time how they came up with that figure. Add in 10 years of taxes, but only 6 years of costs.
The increase to the cost of obamacare to $1.7 TRILLION is a reflection of the accounting crime the democrats/obama committed.
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And what if it goes through?
Well...let's think about that.
If the court upholds the law, we have a candidate who promises to repeal and/or starve the beast and stop the implementation of the law that 67% of Americans WANT repealed. We also have a bunch of vulnerable Senate dems who led the charge for obamacare up for re-election.
There is no better campaign issue than that.
Elect the candidate that will get rid of the law, elect a Senate that will help him do it, Keep the House in GOP hands to make it happen.
You see, the GOP will NOT need 60 votes to repeal obamacare - they will do it by reconciliation, the same procedure the dems used to pass the bill.
If the court throws the whole thing out...what will be a HUGE campaign issue.
The dems/obama shoved this monstrosity down the throats of the American people, against their will, using back room deals, budget gimmicks and accounting trickery, on a party line vote, using procedural tricks to get it done..........they did all this, passing an unconstitutional law.
Either way, it is a lose-lose for the dems.
According to a recent study, obamacare cost the democrats at least 6 points in 2010.
At the two-year mark Friday, nearly everything that Democrats believed about the politics of health care has turned out to be false. And the ramifications for those miscalculations have been huge. They have haunted Obama’s presidency, soured business as usual at the Capitol and upended the conventional wisdom peddled by political strategists, who have rarely been so wrong about something so big.
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Insurers were “desperate to preserve their ability to discriminate against you if you had a preexisting condition, drop your care when you got sick and limit the amount of care you could receive in a year or a lifetime."
- Stephanie Cutter
That's why they spent millions lobbying against this.
Insurers were “desperate to preserve their ability to discriminate against you if you had a preexisting condition, drop your care when you got sick and limit the amount of care you could receive in a year or a lifetime."
- Stephanie Cutter
That's why they spent millions lobbying against this.
Why are you quoting statements from the propaganda mouthpiece of the administration.
Nothing they say is credible.
Perhaps you can address ALL they got wrong though...hmmmm?
America is not the country that would devise a system for healthcare that includes low income people, regardless if they are sick or not. This is a barbarian society masquerading s a civilized nation. It's dog eat dog. Social Darwinism reigns in the red, white, and blue USA.
Americans are not the kind of people that are interested if other Americans live or die. The main thing is; you're okay. That's all that matters.
In 1993 President Clinton wanted to reform America's healthcare and assigned a task force to evaluate using Germany's healthcare as a model. The special interest groups (Healthcare insurance and big pharma) shot it down.
Recently, the German media reported that Germany's healthcare system has a $5billion dollar surplus.
In America this news was not reported. Google it, you'll find only one report (The Lund Report). That's to maintain America's paranoia that universal healthcare will bankrupt the nation.
Insurers were “desperate to preserve their ability to discriminate against you if you had a preexisting condition, drop your care when you got sick and limit the amount of care you could receive in a year or a lifetime."
- Stephanie Cutter
That's why they spent millions lobbying against this.
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Why are you quoting statements from the propaganda mouthpiece of the administration.
Nothing they say is credible.
Perhaps you can address ALL they got wrong though...hmmmm?
You think Osama is stil alive? Ok.
We didn't really leave Iraq? Ok. (I was there when we were leaving, but OK.)
Some of what they say is true. You can't just - well maybe some can- claim everything they say is false. That's just absurd.
Addressing all they got wrong so far would take weeks. No thanks.
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