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Why worry about what some ghetto fools gotta say? Move out the hood and be done with it.
I no longer live in "the hood." However, that ghetto mentality follows people, especially blacks. In America is seems that black authenticity means black being ghetto. Even amongst adults there seems to be this need among blacks to be as low-class as possible, least they be labeled "uncle Toms" or something.
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Btw, if you think white people never talk judgmental shi*, you are mistaken. I am Russian, and I had been thrown out of parties and provoked to fights jus cuz Im Russian by a lot of American white people in Pacific NW, talking bout: "go back to yo fuc*in country, fuc*in russians" I'm white and still got all that shi*. Imagine how they would treat a black person...
There are haters of all colors.
I agree, there are haters of every color. However, it is politically incorrect to talk about black racism in America.
Some of the post in this thread are just flat out rude. Why go after the OP even if you dont agree with it or like it or understand it? Simply ignore it and move on.
Why worry about what some ghetto fools gotta say? Move out the hood and be done with it.
Btw, if you think white people never talk judgmental shi*, you are mistaken. I am Russian, and I had been thrown out of parties and provoked to fights jus cuz Im Russian by a lot of American white people in Pacific NW, talking bout: "go back to yo fuc*in country, fuc*in russians" I'm white and still got all that shi*. Imagine how they would treat a black person...
There are haters of all colors.
Please dont think everyone is like this. Not every white, black, oriental, etc. is the same.
I can't stand when the black posters lump all of the white ones into the same category. Why people can't just take others one at a time I'll never understand. Just because you don't like one person of another race doesn't mean you won't like anyone in that race.
Oh....so all those pure blacks treating me like trash because I'm not pure black was just a "fantasy world"? The massacre of mulattoes in Haiti and now South Africa is all "fantasy". Good to know...
And blacks have their assumptions about me too: That I think I'm stuck up, superior etc. It goes back to the black upper classes in America, most of whom were mixed and how the pure blacks envied them.
Also, once you leave America (believe it or not, we are not the center of the world) assumptions change. In Brazil, mixed people (the Pardo) are their own race.
No, it is not a "fantasy world" that anyone is murdered because they are mulatto. You keep mentioning other countries that you do not live in, yet, this whole thread is about your treatment outside of those countries. You are putting all the pressure on yourself more than it seems anyone else is, that is your fault.
You also mention what it is like in other countries and how they would categorize you. You talk about Italy and Brasil. First of all, Italy is a great place, I love it, but over there Black is Black. They have their own problems over there, yet, you are trying to paint these other countries as somehow being exempt from their categorization of Blacks. Take Brazil for instance, you mention your technical term for what you would be categorized down there, but Brasil has its race issues as well and one drop of Black there causes all sorts of problems for some.
You sound like you think you know more than people here because you keep saying things like, "Believe it or not," blah, blah, blah. Just like someone else said in this thread: You are NOT the only one with your makeup and outlook or knowledge, so stop thinking you are and maybe you will find that none of this stuff should really be any of anyone's concern.
I have now officially vowed to never again call myself Black or African American (God, I hate that term) again. I could say I'm Black and European, or colored (non-white) but I am through saying I'm black and now realize I should never have identified as black.
I'm half Black American, half Italian...okay, my black father was 1/4 Cherokee and 1/8th English, but he's pretty dark. My mother was as Italian as Al Capone. My grand parents were fresh off the boat Italian, from Catania, in Sicily. We had the traditional seven fishes every Christmas and I was fed Italian wine when I was like twelve and my grandfather would play opera records while he worked around his house and I was raised Catholic. My father was black, and I spent a lot of time with my black family too.
Anyway, I was at a bar with some folks the other day and I mentioned that I always wanted to learn Italian, which I never picked up from my relatives and I said I always wanted to know my family's mother tongue. Well, a black guy overheard and gave me the look of death, but didn't say anything. I asked him what his problem was and the SAME F^^^^ fight that I've had numerous times with black people broke out. He said, and I quote, "n^^^^a, you know you ain't no damn Italian! What, you gotta problem being black?"
My chums at the bar were quite loud in their rebuttals, and the outnumbered black fellow made that hiss sound and walked away.
I've gotten this SO DAMN MUCH. Black folks, insisting I call myself black exclusively and ignore the dominate part of my DNA (My mother was all Italian, my father was not all black, hence, genetically, I'm mostly Italian) They give me this reaction of contempt and anger if I so much as acknowledge my other side.
And then, they even seem to get mad at me for the crime of being alive. Some pure black Americans look at me with hatred when they hear me talk. It's like they're afraid I'm going to pollute their Afro-Aryan gene pool, being this brown skinned fellow who has the nerve to speak proper English.
And spare me...SPARE ME that "one drop rule" crap. That was the law once upon a time, yes...but it was also against the law for anyone with black blood to learn to read, does that mean I should never go back to school? How much should I care about what some long dead bigot thinks?
Or, they say "if this was back in the day, you would be enslaved by the white man." Yes...and if I was in Haiti right after the revolution, the blacks would have gladly lopped my head off. If I was in South Africa RIGHT NOW I would be treated like dirt by the black majority who discriminate against the mixed-race coloureds. So, I shouldn't identify with a group that wants to oppress me...unless that group is the blacks, then it's okay if I identify with the oppressor.
And I don't identify as only white either, but the more I think about it...why should I be ashamed for having white blood? If I called myself black exclusively, as many mulattoes do, wouldn't being ashamed being exactly what I'm doing? I mean, if a mixed person said "I'm white" despite being light brown, people would think they're ashamed of having black blood. But, if they say "I'm black," no one thinks it's because they're ashamed of having white blood.
And the funniest part is, I've met so many people from Italy, and none of them had a problem with me being black and Italian. I say I want to learn Italian, and they think I mean right then and there and they try to teach me some words. They never seem to have any problem with a mixed race Italian...but "my brothers?" The minute they find out I am mixed and am not afraid to admit it they have problems.
As none-PC as it may be to say, in my lifetime I have found that blacks are twice as racist as whites when it comes to this. I got beaten up as a kid by the pure blacks who hated me for having lighter skin and clearly Italian features (strong cheek bones, dark under my eyes, shorter statue etc)
It was never a member of the KKK or a skinhead who chased me around calling me the "N word" and trying to kick my butt, it was the black kids who did just that. Plus, I'm not culturally ghetto, so it was even worse...
...look at it this way: a white kid wearing a T-shirt of a heavy metal band walks past some black ghetto kids. They wouldn't do anything...but a mulatto kid in a T-shirt for a heavy metal band walks past the same black thugs, and they are going to attack him for listening to "white music." I know because I WAS that mulatto kid.
I mean, is a white guy betraying his race if he prefers rap to blue grass music? No, and hardly no white people would give him any problems. But if a person of black origin, part or full, hates rap and likes heavy metal and rock? All of a sudden he's "acting white" and he's a traitor.
First of all, listening to Jimmy Hendrix as opposed to Kenya West is hardly "acting white" and second, I am half white! So I should never listen to music or experience the culture of the other side of me? (again, I should be ashamed of having white blood, and no one has a problem with that)
And yes, I hate rap...if no one is singing, playing an instrument, or composing, IT ISN'T MUSIC! I would much rather listen to rock, metal, electronic music or classical. But because that is not "orthodox Negroid thought" and it is bad enough that I am breathing while mixed and not a pure Afro-Aryan, I am a target for so many racist blacks.
I have nothing against black people, or my black blood. But, if I call myself black, I would be betraying my other half and embracing a people who so often have issues with my very existence. Hence, I am half-black, and will never call myself black again...
...and for the record, Obama isn't black either. But he lived a sheltered upperclass lifestyle in Hawaii and didn't go through what I went through on the East Coast, so he's a different story. He's also a failure of a president who should be a one term wonder...but that's another thing blacks would attack me for saying out loud.
I think the OP (and most people for that matter) should realize that the concept of race in America, has very little to do with actual genetics and more to do with appearance and acculturation. The terms white and black were reserved for people who not only fit the phenotypical definition but also the cultural one. In the past some Italians were even forced to attend segregated schools with black children instead of white children, because they didn't "appear white enough" to blend in with mainstream White America, despite the fact that they were European in ancestry. You may choose to view yourself as whatever you wish but at the end of the day race perspective in America is much more the result of how you look to society rather than what your genetic makeup is.
If you have any visible sign of non-White ancestry that is the basis upon what you will be treated as. In daily life people don't view or treat each other in terms of half-Black or half White, we treat one another as either or. With features (skin color, hair texture, etc) that are seen as non-White you will be boxed into the non-White category in most aspects of life. Likewise to Blacks if you have features that signify recent or direct admixture you may be perceived as less Black. That's just the way this country was intentionally set to operate.
If you feel familiarization with Italian culture as a result of upbringing or background then by all means defend it. If you only feel this link on the basis of genetics (the common 'I'm half-white so I'm obligated to associate with White culture just as much as Black culture' syndrome) then you are fighting a losing battle. Things like genetics and DNA hold a weak counter argument in an appearance-based society like America. One of the reasons polarization is strong to identify strictly between the two general races is because many Americans black and white are mixed already to varying degrees with the history of intermarrying in this country.
If our race system was based solely on genetics there would be at least 12 extra race categories to choose from on legal documents today, similar to the way the early U.S Censuses categorized mixed Blacks as separate races depending on amount of admixture: Quadroon=1/4th, Octoroon=1/8th, Mulatto=half, etc. But today in a society that has largely intermarried between various ethnicities and races, genetic amounts have lost nearly all purpose in being tracked and race is more appearance based than anything else. People that would have been legally seen as a separate race centuries ago are for all purposes today credited as just Black or White. This is because race is not set in stone and changes definition continuously over time, so I see no need for people to constantly make a direct inherent link between things like race, genetics and culture. One is based in biology, the other two are completely based in societal construction.
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Some of the post in this thread are just flat out rude. Why go after the OP even if you dont agree with it or like it or understand it? Simply ignore it and move on.
No, you don't ignore the fact that someone would think things without being challenged on it or given a different perspective. This is afterall a discussion board. I read this thread and I see very little insulting comments. The comments that go agaisnt the OP's words are blunt and to-the-point. People need to grow thick-skin.
Hey OP, if you had a healthy relationship with the Black people you encounter and associate with, do you think you would feel this way as strongly as you do?
I have now officially vowed to never again call myself Black or African American (God, I hate that term) again. I could say I'm Black and European, or colored (non-white) but I am through saying I'm black and now realize I should never have identified as black.
I'm half Black American, half Italian...okay, my black father was 1/4 Cherokee and 1/8th English, but he's pretty dark. My mother was as Italian as Al Capone. My grand parents were fresh off the boat Italian, from Catania, in Sicily. We had the traditional seven fishes every Christmas and I was fed Italian wine when I was like twelve and my grandfather would play opera records while he worked around his house and I was raised Catholic. My father was black, and I spent a lot of time with my black family too.
Anyway, I was at a bar with some folks the other day and I mentioned that I always wanted to learn Italian, which I never picked up from my relatives and I said I always wanted to know my family's mother tongue. Well, a black guy overheard and gave me the look of death, but didn't say anything. I asked him what his problem was and the SAME F^^^^ fight that I've had numerous times with black people broke out. He said, and I quote, "n^^^^a, you know you ain't no damn Italian! What, you gotta problem being black?"
My chums at the bar were quite loud in their rebuttals, and the outnumbered black fellow made that hiss sound and walked away.
I've gotten this SO DAMN MUCH. Black folks, insisting I call myself black exclusively and ignore the dominate part of my DNA (My mother was all Italian, my father was not all black, hence, genetically, I'm mostly Italian) They give me this reaction of contempt and anger if I so much as acknowledge my other side.
And then, they even seem to get mad at me for the crime of being alive. Some pure black Americans look at me with hatred when they hear me talk. It's like they're afraid I'm going to pollute their Afro-Aryan gene pool, being this brown skinned fellow who has the nerve to speak proper English.
And spare me...SPARE ME that "one drop rule" crap. That was the law once upon a time, yes...but it was also against the law for anyone with black blood to learn to read, does that mean I should never go back to school? How much should I care about what some long dead bigot thinks?
Or, they say "if this was back in the day, you would be enslaved by the white man." Yes...and if I was in Haiti right after the revolution, the blacks would have gladly lopped my head off. If I was in South Africa RIGHT NOW I would be treated like dirt by the black majority who discriminate against the mixed-race coloureds. So, I shouldn't identify with a group that wants to oppress me...unless that group is the blacks, then it's okay if I identify with the oppressor.
And I don't identify as only white either, but the more I think about it...why should I be ashamed for having white blood? If I called myself black exclusively, as many mulattoes do, wouldn't being ashamed being exactly what I'm doing? I mean, if a mixed person said "I'm white" despite being light brown, people would think they're ashamed of having black blood. But, if they say "I'm black," no one thinks it's because they're ashamed of having white blood.
And the funniest part is, I've met so many people from Italy, and none of them had a problem with me being black and Italian. I say I want to learn Italian, and they think I mean right then and there and they try to teach me some words. They never seem to have any problem with a mixed race Italian...but "my brothers?" The minute they find out I am mixed and am not afraid to admit it they have problems.
As none-PC as it may be to say, in my lifetime I have found that blacks are twice as racist as whites when it comes to this. I got beaten up as a kid by the pure blacks who hated me for having lighter skin and clearly Italian features (strong cheek bones, dark under my eyes, shorter statue etc)
It was never a member of the KKK or a skinhead who chased me around calling me the "N word" and trying to kick my butt, it was the black kids who did just that. Plus, I'm not culturally ghetto, so it was even worse...
...look at it this way: a white kid wearing a T-shirt of a heavy metal band walks past some black ghetto kids. They wouldn't do anything...but a mulatto kid in a T-shirt for a heavy metal band walks past the same black thugs, and they are going to attack him for listening to "white music." I know because I WAS that mulatto kid.
I mean, is a white guy betraying his race if he prefers rap to blue grass music? No, and hardly no white people would give him any problems. But if a person of black origin, part or full, hates rap and likes heavy metal and rock? All of a sudden he's "acting white" and he's a traitor.
First of all, listening to Jimmy Hendrix as opposed to Kenya West is hardly "acting white" and second, I am half white! So I should never listen to music or experience the culture of the other side of me? (again, I should be ashamed of having white blood, and no one has a problem with that)
And yes, I hate rap...if no one is singing, playing an instrument, or composing, IT ISN'T MUSIC! I would much rather listen to rock, metal, electronic music or classical. But because that is not "orthodox Negroid thought" and it is bad enough that I am breathing while mixed and not a pure Afro-Aryan, I am a target for so many racist blacks.
I have nothing against black people, or my black blood. But, if I call myself black, I would be betraying my other half and embracing a people who so often have issues with my very existence. Hence, I am half-black, and will never call myself black again...
...and for the record, Obama isn't black either. But he lived a sheltered upperclass lifestyle in Hawaii and didn't go through what I went through on the East Coast, so he's a different story. He's also a failure of a president who should be a one term wonder...but that's another thing blacks would attack me for saying out loud.
I'm 5/8 English, 1/4 German, and 1/8 Irish. My wife has some Cherokee blood, but also some Irish (and I think some English).
I no longer live in "the hood." However, that ghetto mentality follows people, especially blacks. In America is seems that black authenticity means black being ghetto. Even amongst adults there seems to be this need among blacks to be as low-class as possible, least they be labeled "uncle Toms" or something.
I agree, there are haters of every color. However, it is politically incorrect to talk about black racism in America.
No, that's not what authenticates someone as being Black. How many celebrities are Black and are seen as such with no questions, yet, they are not "ghetto?" A lot, right? Once again, you are making these decisions in your own mind. Most of us Black Americans don't sit around and come up with ideas of how to authenticate Blackness. You're just supposed to be yourself and that is all.
I have now officially vowed to never again call myself Black or African American (God, I hate that term) again. I could say I'm Black and European, or colored (non-white) but I am through saying I'm black and now realize I should never have identified as black.
I'm half Black American, half Italian...okay, my black father was 1/4 Cherokee and 1/8th English, but he's pretty dark. My mother was as Italian as Al Capone. My grand parents were fresh off the boat Italian, from Catania, in Sicily. We had the traditional seven fishes every Christmas and I was fed Italian wine when I was like twelve and my grandfather would play opera records while he worked around his house and I was raised Catholic. My father was black, and I spent a lot of time with my black family too.
Anyway, I was at a bar with some folks the other day and I mentioned that I always wanted to learn Italian, which I never picked up from my relatives and I said I always wanted to know my family's mother tongue. Well, a black guy overheard and gave me the look of death, but didn't say anything. I asked him what his problem was and the SAME F^^^^ fight that I've had numerous times with black people broke out. He said, and I quote, "n^^^^a, you know you ain't no damn Italian! What, you gotta problem being black?"
My chums at the bar were quite loud in their rebuttals, and the outnumbered black fellow made that hiss sound and walked away.
I've gotten this SO DAMN MUCH. Black folks, insisting I call myself black exclusively and ignore the dominate part of my DNA (My mother was all Italian, my father was not all black, hence, genetically, I'm mostly Italian) They give me this reaction of contempt and anger if I so much as acknowledge my other side.
And then, they even seem to get mad at me for the crime of being alive. Some pure black Americans look at me with hatred when they hear me talk. It's like they're afraid I'm going to pollute their Afro-Aryan gene pool, being this brown skinned fellow who has the nerve to speak proper English.
And spare me...SPARE ME that "one drop rule" crap. That was the law once upon a time, yes...but it was also against the law for anyone with black blood to learn to read, does that mean I should never go back to school? How much should I care about what some long dead bigot thinks?
Or, they say "if this was back in the day, you would be enslaved by the white man." Yes...and if I was in Haiti right after the revolution, the blacks would have gladly lopped my head off. If I was in South Africa RIGHT NOW I would be treated like dirt by the black majority who discriminate against the mixed-race coloureds. So, I shouldn't identify with a group that wants to oppress me...unless that group is the blacks, then it's okay if I identify with the oppressor.
And I don't identify as only white either, but the more I think about it...why should I be ashamed for having white blood? If I called myself black exclusively, as many mulattoes do, wouldn't being ashamed being exactly what I'm doing? I mean, if a mixed person said "I'm white" despite being light brown, people would think they're ashamed of having black blood. But, if they say "I'm black," no one thinks it's because they're ashamed of having white blood.
And the funniest part is, I've met so many people from Italy, and none of them had a problem with me being black and Italian. I say I want to learn Italian, and they think I mean right then and there and they try to teach me some words. They never seem to have any problem with a mixed race Italian...but "my brothers?" The minute they find out I am mixed and am not afraid to admit it they have problems.
As none-PC as it may be to say, in my lifetime I have found that blacks are twice as racist as whites when it comes to this. I got beaten up as a kid by the pure blacks who hated me for having lighter skin and clearly Italian features (strong cheek bones, dark under my eyes, shorter statue etc)
It was never a member of the KKK or a skinhead who chased me around calling me the "N word" and trying to kick my butt, it was the black kids who did just that. Plus, I'm not culturally ghetto, so it was even worse...
...look at it this way: a white kid wearing a T-shirt of a heavy metal band walks past some black ghetto kids. They wouldn't do anything...but a mulatto kid in a T-shirt for a heavy metal band walks past the same black thugs, and they are going to attack him for listening to "white music." I know because I WAS that mulatto kid.
I mean, is a white guy betraying his race if he prefers rap to blue grass music? No, and hardly no white people would give him any problems. But if a person of black origin, part or full, hates rap and likes heavy metal and rock? All of a sudden he's "acting white" and he's a traitor.
First of all, listening to Jimmy Hendrix as opposed to Kenya West is hardly "acting white" and second, I am half white! So I should never listen to music or experience the culture of the other side of me? (again, I should be ashamed of having white blood, and no one has a problem with that)
And yes, I hate rap...if no one is singing, playing an instrument, or composing, IT ISN'T MUSIC! I would much rather listen to rock, metal, electronic music or classical. But because that is not "orthodox Negroid thought" and it is bad enough that I am breathing while mixed and not a pure Afro-Aryan, I am a target for so many racist blacks.
I have nothing against black people, or my black blood. But, if I call myself black, I would be betraying my other half and embracing a people who so often have issues with my very existence. Hence, I am half-black, and will never call myself black again...
...and for the record, Obama isn't black either. But he lived a sheltered upperclass lifestyle in Hawaii and didn't go through what I went through on the East Coast, so he's a different story. He's also a failure of a president who should be a one term wonder...but that's another thing blacks would attack me for saying out loud.
Good going, now all the blacks hate you for saying what they wish they could... but don't have the guts too.
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