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Old 05-17-2012, 06:18 PM
 
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IF there is a trial as in before it starts I am speculating the media could cause a mistrial...I know it hasn't started and there may not be one for all I know but the media has done no one any favors with their attempt for ratings
Can't cause a mistrial. What can happen is that there will be a change of venue from Sanford to some other circuit in Florida where potential jurors may not be so deeply involved in the case. When the jury is selected from the large pool of jurors called for the case, the attorneys and Judge will question each potential juror extensively regarding their knowledge of the case from the media or other sources. Also, each of the jurors will have been mailed an extensive questionaire PRIOR to jury selection which asked them questions about themselves, their pasts, etc. They have to answer the questions and return the form to the court. The attorneys (both sides) will have access to the answers they provided on that information form long before the trial.

As for the media, seems to me it really is the responsibility of the reader to do the best they can to verify info which is put out there. We all know that you certainly can't believe everything you read.

 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:18 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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If all of is stay home tomorrow there would be no deaths on the road as well. But in the course of your life and watching your neighborhood you don't expect to get attacked by a drugged 6'3" football player with an attitude.
All the damage appears on Zimmerman. That was the victim. The victim survived that day.
What did Trayvin Martin do that justified his murder?

He was minding his own business and was stalked, then approached by a strange man with a gun. So was he supposed to just stand there and let GZ cause him bodily harm?
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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Nancy, are you still calling for blood despite the massive amount of exculpatory evidence that's come out? We not only have photos showing injuries to the nose and back of head, plus the medical reports, we just saw today the eyewitnesses completely backing up Zim's story. We also now know Trayvon was an active drug user. Trayvon didn't have a scratch on him, other than his knuckles from beating the hell out of zimmerman. Trayvon's dad said it was not his son screaming, and audio forensics were not conclusive (in what universe is the bigger guy who's beating the crap out of someone the one yelling for help anyway?). The gunshot also entered from the front so close it left a burn mark on Trayvon.

Literally every piece of evidence supports Zimmerman.

Yet irrational hatred towards guns and self defense, coupled with irrational deifying of Trayvon (because he's black? Because he was a "kid?") leads Trayvon apologists to still stick to the hilariously outdated narrative the media sold us at the beginning.

This case has taught me a few things. 1) most people are not fit to serve on juries. 2) The media is horribly biased 3) "Justice" in this country is becoming too politicized


Good God...for people to have pity for a dead teen and his family is "deifying him?" Even in his call to dispatch, Zimmerman never made a direct statement that Trayvon Martin was doing anything illegal. Most of us who have defended Martin have done so because we feel that both we and our children should have the right to walk to and from a convenience store without being challenged by a stranger with no uniform, badge or official authority. The gun only became an issue after NRA members began to castigate some posters for questioning why Zimmerman had a gun but, most important of all, why he chose to ignore the dispatcher's advice to not follow Martin. While the concern is that this case may affect SYG and CC laws already in effect, this case is and always has been about the fact that a 17 year-old was killed, having done nothing wrong. It seems that the fact that Zimmerman confronted Martin leaves open the argument that the SYG law is more applicable to the common citizen walking home than to a stranger who demands to know why you're walking where you are...on the way back to the home that you're visiting. Your campaign to improve public relations against the perceived threat to CC and SYG laws would do better by reaching out to the general public and explaining one's beliefs (as Toyman has done eloquently and often) as opposed to resorting to personal attacks and false assumptions...that's no way to win friends and influence people...it makes the poster sound like a cold, hard thug instead of someone out to persuade people that such laws truly benefit society in the end. Anyone who gloats over the death of an innocent teen is beyond help.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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"Ultimately avoidable?" I suppose so.
If Zimmerman stayed in his car, Trayvon might not have attacked him.
This statement makes absolutely no sense...

Oh Location: Louisiana

Never mind, that explains it.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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And George Zimmerman had actually been ARRESTED for assaulting a police officer and domestic violence against his girlfriend. Funny how the Zimmerman worshippers like to brush over those facts.
Zimmerman had no current record and was mentoring to black kids.

Meanwhile Trayvon currently was taking drugs, defacing property and in possession of Jewelry without being able to say where it came from. Had a burglary tool at school and it makes you wonder if Trayvon wasn't in that area earlier maybe contributing to the break-ins?
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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The police stated in their report that the incident was "ultimately avoidable" had George Zimmerman stayed in his car and waited for police to arrive. Instead of taking the law into his own hands.

George Zimmerman evidence Trayvon Martin: New evidence in George Zimmerman shooting of Trayvon Martin released - Orlando Sentinel

That doesn't change the fact that the 17 year old thug started the downward spiral.

Cops, Witnesses Back Up George Zimmerman's Version - ABC News
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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If all of is stay home tomorrow there would be no deaths on the road as well. But in the course of your life and watching your neighborhood you don't expect to get attacked by a drugged 6'3" football player with an attitude.
All the damage appears on Zimmerman. That was the victim. The victim survived that day.
Please refer to the autopsy report, Page 2. You will see that Martin was 71 inches tall (divide by 12 is not 6'3") and weighed 158 pounds.

Trayvon Martin autopsy report
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:27 PM
 
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Zimmerman had no current record and was mentoring to black kids.

Meanwhile Trayvon currently was taking drugs, defacing property and in possession of Jewelry without being able to say where it came from. Had a burglary tool at school and it makes you wonder if Trayvon wasn't in that area earlier maybe contributing to the break-ins?
"in that area earlier maybe contributing to the break-ins".........that is just shamelessly wild speculation.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:29 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Sanford Officer Michael Wagner pulled out his personal iPhone, he wrote in his report, and shot a photo of Zimmerman's bloody nose. It appeared to him, Wagner wrote in his report, that Zimmerman's nose was broken.
"I also saw that the back of Zimmerman's head was also bloodied," Wagner wrote.

Wagner downloaded the photo to his computer but never forwarded it to anyone else, he wrote, not until March 18, when he got word that the agency could find no photos of Zimmerman taken at the scene.

Trayvon's autopsy report is included in the released documents. In it, there is a diagram that shows the gunshot wound was approximately 3/8 inches across, and the "stippling," powder burns that come as a result of a gunshot, was approximately 2 inches in diameter.

The burns are important because they prove the gun was fired from a very close range.


FDLE firearms expert Amy Siewert examined Trayvon's gray sweatshirt and gray hoodie and wrote this about the gunpowder burns: "Both holes displayed residues and physical effects consistent with a contact shot."
Translation: The gun was touching Trayvon's clothing when Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
The bullet went through his heart, according to the report. The Volusia County medical examiner's office pulled from Trayvon's body one lead bullet core and two fragments, according to a Florida Department of Law Enforcement lab report. The report also showed a small "abrasion" on one finger on the other hand.
The autopsy report says there was THC — the active chemical found in marijuana — in Trayvon's blood and urine.
Uh Oh!
 
Old 05-17-2012, 06:29 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Zimmerman had no current record and was mentoring to black kids.

Meanwhile Trayvon currently was taking drugs, defacing property and in possession of Jewelry without being able to say where it came from. Had a burglary tool at school and it makes you wonder if Trayvon wasn't in that area earlier maybe contributing to the break-ins?
Trayvon Martin had no arrest record.

George Zimmerman has been arrested several times for assaulting a police officer and domestic violence.

But I guess to people like yourself the fact that Trayvon Martin was Black made him deserving of the results of GZ's self appointed position as judge, jury and executioner.
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