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Old 04-22-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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Alright. Lemme school you youngun's on something and maybe you'll understand.

The term "tar baby" comes from a series of books by the fictitious author "Uncle Remus." The stories are about southern blacks and are basically a retelling of African folk tales. The first was published in 1881, and among the tales told is a story about Bre'r Rabbit and Bre'r Fox (Bre'r being a shortened version of the southern term "Brother." It has church connotations.)

Bre'r Fox is always trying to catch Bre'r Rabbit, but Rabbit is too crafty and quick for him. So, Fox makes a "tar baby" to trick Rabbit. It's in the form of a baby and made of sticky tar. (I won't go into how it worked and how Rabbit got away), but the significant fact about the story in relation to today is that in that book, it was originally called a "N----r Tar Baby." It was still rendered that way even when I was a kid because I had the book and remember it well.

You see, the use of the "N word" used to be far more common than it is today. None of we whites really stopped to consider the offensiveness of it until the Civil Rights movement came along and directed our attention to our moral failings as a race. Consequently, at some point, the word n----r was removed from the Uncle Remus story and the sticky trap just called a "tar baby."

But, the term still retains it's offensive quality because of it's previous name.

Get it now? I don't know how old the politician is who used the term which is the subject of this thread, but if he's at least as old as I am (62), he knew very well what he was doing. If he's younger, like many of y'all, he may be excused because he didn't know any more about the history of the term than you do.

And Disney won't even show the dang movie anymore and has pulled copies of it from the shelves. I don't even think you can buy it anymore.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Because they are a minority (of republicans?), doesn't excuse them from making statements that are or can be construed as racist.
If one were to believe the slur that Boston is a racist city then it would be Democrats who are racist, because there are very few Republicans here.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And Disney won't even show the dang movie anymore and has pulled copies of it from the shelves. I don't even think you can buy it anymore.

Not in this country. It's available in Europe, though.

It's been so long now since I've seen it that I can't recall if the movie used the original name for the tar baby or not.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Default What's up with using the term "tar baby" when critizing Obama??

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I read the comments and didn't even consider that they were talking about obama being black. Funny though...you did. Who is the racist again?

The term is a dog whistle and right wingers howled.

It goes on the list with the rest of the right's name-calling childishness:

muslim
Kenyan
communist
socialist

and a dozen others.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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The term is a dog whistle and right wingers howled.

It goes on the list with the rest of the right's name-calling childishness:

muslim
Kenyan
communist
socialist

and a dozen others.
Lol, do you see boogie men under your bed? Oh wait is boogie man a dog whistle term. Too funny.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I have not heard the word "tar baby" used in decades. I grew up knowing that it was meant to be derogatory. Having seen it come up now, I have come to learn that it's original intent referred to a "sticky situation". Clearly, over time it evolved to mean something else - something derogatory, which I think the majority of people are aware of.

If you are referring to something being a "sticky situation", why not just call it a "sticky situation"?

But the term "tar baby" seems to have been resurrected by opponents of Obama - justifying it's usage to it's original intent. Now, could it just be a co-incidence to use a word that has been "dead" to describe a "sticky situtation" or is meant to be derogatory?

Last year Rep. Lamborn used it when he was discussing the nation's debt ceiling.


There is also another article where a spokesperson said:


Continue reading at NowPublic.com: Doug Lamborn 'Tar Baby' Comment Audio, Video: Apologizes to Obama | NowPublic News Coverage Doug Lamborn 'Tar Baby' Comment Audio, Video: Apologizes to Obama | NowPublic News Coverage

Rep. Lamborn apologizes after "tar baby" remark - CBS News

The issues/problems regarding oil is nothing new and has been discussed for years. But I can't recall anyone using "tar baby" when discussing the issues/problems, until now.



Read more: Michele Bachmann: Obama 'waving a tar baby' - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

I don't like racists in general, but I am really, really starting to hate these racists.
Why do you assume that they are referencing Obama? I use the term all the time when talking about situations that suck you in and you can't get out of. Maybe it is a generational thing...I remember Song of the South (Disney) very well as a child. That does not make me a racist or anyone else that watched that movie. It was a period of our history. Time to grow some thicker skin....no racist pun intended.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I read the comments and didn't even consider that they were talking about obama being black. Funny though...you did. Who is the racist again?
I agree with you, and he is not black to me. He is of mixed race and you racists who keep shoving him into the AA slot keep ignoring the evil white blood running through his veins, lol.
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Alright. Lemme school you youngun's on something and maybe you'll understand.

The term "tar baby" comes from a series of books by the fictitious author "Uncle Remus." The stories are about southern blacks and are basically a retelling of African folk tales. The first was published in 1881, and among the tales told is a story about Bre'r Rabbit and Bre'r Fox (Bre'r being a shortened version of the southern term "Brother." It has church connotations.)

Bre'r Fox is always trying to catch Bre'r Rabbit, but Rabbit is too crafty and quick for him. So, Fox makes a "tar baby" to trick Rabbit. It's in the form of a baby and made of sticky tar. (I won't go into how it worked and how Rabbit got away), but the significant fact about the story in relation to today is that in that book, it was originally called a "N----r Tar Baby." It was still rendered that way even when I was a kid because I had the book and remember it well.

You see, the use of the "N word" used to be far more common than it is today. None of we whites really stopped to consider the offensiveness of it until the Civil Rights movement came along and directed our attention to our moral failings as a race. Consequently, at some point, the word n----r was removed from the Uncle Remus story and the sticky trap just called a "tar baby."

But, the term still retains it's offensive quality because of it's previous name.

Get it now? I don't know how old the politician is who used the term which is the subject of this thread, but if he's at least as old as I am (62), he knew very well what he was doing. If he's younger, like many of y'all, he may be excused because he didn't know any more about the history of the term than you do.
Looks like he'll be 69 this year.

John Kerry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh wait, the OP left out this particular politician for some reason.

Btw, I can't find any reference to the slur "n-----r tar baby" anywhere. Are you sure you are not just remembering it wrong?
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:48 AM
 
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Lol, do you see boogie men under your bed? Oh wait is boogie man a dog whistle term. Too funny.

I see right wingers losing their minds almost 4 years after they lost an election by nearly 10 million votes.

Even funnier.

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Old 04-22-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Alright. Lemme school you youngun's on something and maybe you'll understand.

The term "tar baby" comes from a series of books by the fictitious author "Uncle Remus." The stories are about southern blacks and are basically a retelling of African folk tales. The first was published in 1881, and among the tales told is a story about Bre'r Rabbit and Bre'r Fox (Bre'r being a shortened version of the southern term "Brother." It has church connotations.)

Bre'r Fox is always trying to catch Bre'r Rabbit, but Rabbit is too crafty and quick for him. So, Fox makes a "tar baby" to trick Rabbit. It's in the form of a baby and made of sticky tar. (I won't go into how it worked and how Rabbit got away), but the significant fact about the story in relation to today is that in that book, it was originally called a "N----r Tar Baby." It was still rendered that way even when I was a kid because I had the book and remember it well.

You see, the use of the "N word" used to be far more common than it is today. None of we whites really stopped to consider the offensiveness of it until the Civil Rights movement came along and directed our attention to our moral failings as a race. Consequently, at some point, the word n----r was removed from the Uncle Remus story and the sticky trap just called a "tar baby."

But, the term still retains it's offensive quality because of it's previous name.

Get it now? I don't know how old the politician is who used the term which is the subject of this thread, but if he's at least as old as I am (62), he knew very well what he was doing. If he's younger, like many of y'all, he may be excused because he didn't know any more about the history of the term than you do.
Good, informative post.
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