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Old 05-14-2012, 10:59 AM
 
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Here is the budget break down, nice pie charts and everything.

K-12 and health and human services are about 70% of the state budget.

Most of the tax revenue is from personal income taxes, it's one of the highest states in the US.

Maybe they can call up Tiger Woods whom moved to FL to save himself millions a year in personal income taxes, many others have done the same thing.

This is a GREAT read....has a lot of comparisons between the mid-60's and then 40 years later.
Cal Facts 2004 State Budget

Basically, the big growth area is in Health and Human Services while many of the other major segments are static. The other big area of growth (although smaller in size) is prison MEDICAL costs.

So, you have somewhat stagnant revenues and growing medical social programs. That's it in a nutshell people.

P.S. Interesting to note that CA indicates they lose 6-7billion or more a year in tax fraud.

My proposal.
1) Higher sales tax which even illegals have to pay most of the time.
2) Release non-violent prisoners, make space for tax dodgers.
3) Tighten up H&HS eligibility and look for cost savings there.
4) Crack down on under-reporting and places doing cash transactions....not charging sales tax etc.
5) The state is bleeding for-profit jobs, look at ways to attract companies to the state. Heck, even Hollywood makes movies elsewhere to save money.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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that is the argument of the public servant, im starving i make low wages. and i work so hard.
buddy most of my friends are police and firemen and teachers, i dont know where u live but here those estimates are accurate. (not entry level wage of course) remember we are talking about california.
Umm...your figures are WAY off. Sorry, but my dad is a teacher, my partner's dad is a police officer, my best friend is a fire fighter (not to mention my cousin down in SD). Those estimates are not averages. Remember the high end is not the average.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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That was under court order.But I am surprised california voters are surprised that brown is raisig taxes.For year what California has donw si booro for shortfall near year end .Either you cut program or you raise taxes or you borrow ;kickig thwe can down the raod like other times.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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Here is the budget break down, nice pie charts and everything.

K-12 and health and human services are about 70% of the state budget.

Most of the tax revenue is from personal income taxes, it's one of the highest states in the US.

Maybe they can call up Tiger Woods whom moved to FL to save himself millions a year in personal income taxes, many others have done the same thing.

This is a GREAT read....has a lot of comparisons between the mid-60's and then 40 years later.
Cal Facts 2004 State Budget

Basically, the big growth area is in Health and Human Services while many of the other major segments are static. The other big area of growth (although smaller in size) is prison MEDICAL costs.

So, you have somewhat stagnant revenues and growing medical social programs. That's it in a nutshell people.

P.S. Interesting to note that CA indicates they lose 6-7billion or more a year in tax fraud.

My proposal.
1) Higher sales tax which even illegals have to pay most of the time.
2) Release non-violent prisoners, make space for tax dodgers.
3) Tighten up H&HS eligibility and look for cost savings there.
4) Crack down on under-reporting and places doing cash transactions....not charging sales tax etc.
5) The state is bleeding for-profit jobs, look at ways to attract companies to the state. Heck, even Hollywood makes movies elsewhere to save money.
Why not also raise property taxes on those people who pay a ridiculously low rates?

We should focus not on simply how to make jobs, but how to foster a middle class in order to have a consumer class that will not drown in debt.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Governor Moonbeam is doing precisely what he did during his first two terms as Governor of California, spending the State into oblivion. It was precisely because of Governor Moonbeam that California passed Prop 13. Obviously Californians have very short memories. They deserve to live in a bankrupt State, after all, it is exactly what they wanted by electing yet another socialist as Governor.
Immediately prior to the passage of Prop 13, Brown had a $5 Billion surplus in the treasury. (He was a fiscal conservative. Governor Brown 101. He wanted to keep that money for a rainy day, BTW.)

Prop. 13 was a response to skyrocketing property taxes. The state would have lost massive number of homeowners who wouldn't have been able to pay their property taxes. It was a grass roots proposition which Brown opposed.

After the passage of Prop 13 Brown spent that budget surplus to make up for the loss of revenue and to follow the guidelines of Prop 13. He also HEAVILY cut state spending.

I'm kind of wondering if you lived in CA during his first two terms.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Umm...your figures are WAY off. Sorry, but my dad is a teacher, my partner's dad is a police officer, my best friend is a fire fighter (not to mention my cousin down in SD). Those estimates are not averages. Remember the high end is not the average.
I don't even know why you guys are arguing about this. If you take one look at the budget the fact those are not the areas that are killing California and frankly you are both somewhat correct but then again the state has a much higherly cost of living so it's justified.

California is losing private sector jobs due to regulations and costs of operating in the state.
Wealthier people are changing their state of residence to save on taxes. (and tax leakage is around 8% maybe more with the "illegal economy")
Medical costs and participation skyrocketing.
Prison costs, especially medical are skyrocketing.

K-12 education is the same rough % of budget that it was 45 years ago as are most of the other services.

You want to fix CA's budget problems you have to fix attact the items listed above.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Umm...your figures are WAY off. Sorry, but my dad is a teacher, my partner's dad is a police officer, my best friend is a fire fighter (not to mention my cousin down in SD). Those estimates are not averages. Remember the high end is not the average.
not dealing with average or stat charts i am dealing with the people i know who have been at it for awhile, not greenies. i am high end. we are not talking about u me your cousin your best friend and how we care for them all, we are talking about massive excessive costs to deliver a product. we need subcontracting and not just the little guy. what SD county has done with the little guy is impressive but CA needs to expand on the concept and u me your cousin and your best friend dont wana talk about that. not now not ever.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Why not also raise property taxes on those people who pay a ridiculously low rates?

We should focus not on simply how to make jobs, but how to foster a middle class in order to have a consumer class that will not drown in debt.
I thought property taxes were not paid directly to the state and the proposition is something THE PEOPLE would have to over-turn and not the governor.

So, I did not include that as a fix that the governor could address.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: southern california
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I thought property taxes were not paid directly to the state and the proposition is something THE PEOPLE would have to over-turn and not the governor.

So, I did not include that as a fix that the governor could address.
prop tax has been going up every year--- part of prop 13 was to increase 2% every year.
my tax bill has doubled over the years. if u jack it up more rents will go up.
people are already doubling up to make rent here.
of course u could go the NYC/SF route rent control-- but then the only people that rent property out are slum dog millionaires. lots of fenced in prop in SF bek landlords got tired of rent control baloney huge bills and no profit.
1st thing gov wants to do when they run out of money -- cut wages and benefits and spending??? no way, tax private industry to death? u betcha.
the terminator said it long ago when he swore in, CA does not have an income problem it has a spending problem.
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Old 05-14-2012, 11:38 AM
 
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I thought property taxes were not paid directly to the state and the proposition is something THE PEOPLE would have to over-turn and not the governor.

So, I did not include that as a fix that the governor could address.
I mentioned that in a previous post (sorry a little fractured). Essentially the proposition system that sometimes does not make sense (as I stated earlier) would mean that it would be DOA even though it makes fiscal sense.

Property taxes would help at a local level, which we see the worst of the cuts. Not to mention a proportion does make its way to the state's general fund. Again, not directly (as you mentioned), but not only does it impact local municipalities, but a portion does make its way to the general fund.
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