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the wright brothers and many others were motivated not by consumer demand nor commercial interest but scientific curiosity and exploration.
The Wright brothers weren't the first to invent the fixed-wing aircraft either. They merely made the first power flight with a human. As for the merits of why the plane came about, that certainly was not scientific curiosity. There has always been a passion for heavier-than-air travel, and certainly obvious commercial benefits to doing so. Lots of people pursued flight, the Wrights are noted for being the first to make a powered flight with a human on board. Proof-of-concept. But that is also for another discussion thread.
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To say that demand is what push innovation is a serious stretch at best and ignorance at worse. Some products take years before any demand is attracted to it (how often have you heard, "before its time"?) and if it wasn't for business and others pushing it, waiting for demand to catch on, it would have faded before the consumer even had a chance to enjoy it.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never made such a statement nor implied such.
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But to somehow suggest that everything is an improvement on primitive man's stone tools, which is what you are doing is a serious leap.
Only if you look at two distant points in technology.
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That text messaging didn't become in-demand after its availability but the demand was always there because of telegrams or something. But Fine you can have that.
I intend to take that argument fully to its course. It's patently obvious once you start breaking down any one technology to its simpler and simpler roots. You want to connect telegrams and text messages, it's perfectly easy to do. One didn't lead directly to the other, but evolution never really does--it merely improves upon what is there.
The text message is no different than email, but accessible via the phone instead of a dedicated computer. Email is merely electronic mail--mail--delivered by the postal service of which we've had for hundreds of years. It isn't "great leaps" to recognize that all technology is evolutionary. It necessarily stems from its simpler beginnings. We can trace it down all the way to simple needs of humans after all, necessity is the mother of invention.
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Again, as far and CEO/Obama/Economy issue you can look more into it if you want to, I know I have and have found lots of stuff...that is for a different thread.
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and as your issue with what the CEOs had to say about Obama and Economy, you can look more into it if you want to.
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Then show me.
Konraden, show you??? Its all over the Internet! Its all over the news. I know you don't want to hear it and people want to blame everyone else but it is what it is and because of it there is no economic recovery. It is raising costs to businesses who hire and taxpayers who spend. It cost so much money on top of Taxmaggdon that companies will pay the fine and opt out and millions of people will lose their coverage completely. I wonder who you will blame then?
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Obamacare is one regulation that is causing issues but whenever it is brought up the left ***** and moan, so regulations have been named, just none you want to hear about.....
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look, its up to you whether or not you want to listen to those directly involve with employing people. If you want to dismiss them, and then turn around and be confused about where are the jobs, then go ahead.
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Its up to you whether or not you want to listen to those directly involved with employing people.
This is the slide presentation that the current TED conference deemed "too politically controversial".
The slides show the inverse relationship between the tax rate for the top 1% and the unemployment rate.
Anyone who's ever run a business knows that hiring more people is a capitalists course of last resort, something we do only when increasing customer demand requires it. In this sense, calling ourselves job creators isn't just inaccurate, it's disingenuous.
That's why our current policies are so upside down. When you have a tax system in which most of the exemptions and the lowest rates benefit the richest, all in the name of job creation, all that happens is that the rich get richer.
Since 1980 the share of income for the richest Americans has more than tripled while effective tax rates have declined by close to 50%.
If it were true that lower tax rates and more wealth for the wealthy would lead to more job creation, then today we would be drowning in jobs. And yet unemployment and under-employment is at record highs.
If you were a business owner sitting on a ton of cash, would you spend it hiring more folks when very few customrs are walking through the door for them to serve, or will you simply rely on a skeleton crew to service the very few customers you do have and hoard your money?
Originally I posted that consumers do. Now I'm thinking that both parties do. They can be one in the same, or two separate entities depending on your market. Just depends on what your selling.
We really need to change our business culture though. We need corporations who are concerned about the people again. Mom n Pop businesses typically look out for the communities they serve because they have certain ties to the particular populace. I don't believe the changes should be forced through legislation, but we should provide incentives and help to corporations who look out for our country.
If you were a business owner sitting on a ton of cash, would you spend it hiring more folks when very few customers are walking through the door for them to serve, or will you simply rely on a skeleton crew to service the very few customers you do have and hoard your money?
As if those are your only two options. Some business owners have been trying this new thing called marketing while others are trying this brand spanking new idea called retooling and even others are trying things to satisfy the customers they do have even more like a continual process improvement program which may, or may not, include hiring more inspectors or outside contractors to come in and see if they can refine their processes.
As if those are your only two options. Some business owners have been trying this new thing called marketing while others are trying this brand spanking new idea called retooling and even others are trying things to satisfy the customers they do have even more like a continual process improvement program which may, or may not, include hiring more inspectors or outside contractors to come in and see if they can refine their processes.
The point is they wouldn't use that cash for job creation if the demand isn't there, which is what's being discussd in this thread, not whether they would use the mony for marketing or "retooling"
And thus, until the goverment addresses the demand sid of the economy, this sorry excuse of a recovery will continue to be long and slow.
The point is they wouldn't use that cash for job creation if the demand isn't there, which is what's being discussd in this thread, not whether they would use the mony for marketing or "retooling"
And thus, until the goverment addresses the demand sid of the economy, this sorry excuse of a recovery will continue to be long and slow.
What do you think runs marketing firms and machine shops? While it's not impossible to buy machines to do inspections (or you hire a new inspector or more engineers) someone has to build those machines.
The government can't do anything for the demand side because it's broke, it's all demanded-out and any attempt to continue demand based purchasing is only going to make things that much worse right around the corner.
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