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Old 06-07-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Well clearly you dont like people with trust funds, so this would mean everyone should be "the same".. The only way to assure that would be to confiscate all wealth..

Whats the matter, dont want to compete against a crackhead?
Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

The OP asked a question, I supplied a possible answer.

If you can't keep up with that very simple sequence your cognitive ability is clearly deficient.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Actually, not true. Some parents cannot afford to send their kids to the better schools and therefore have to educate them in inferior ones.
They can improve their inferior schools.
They can move to a better school district
They can get a second job to afford private school
The answers aren't easy, and wont be solved by folks complaining about equal opportunity.. the parents that truly care about their child's education do something about it while the others cry about equal opportunity.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Actually, not true. Some parents cannot afford to send their kids to the better schools and therefore have to educate them in inferior ones.
Well what makes them inferior ?
The teacher you say ? Nope..failing schools still fail.
Not enough money ? Nope..failing schools still fail.

Let's try the students...well sorry but you can't expel them even if they have been to jail and come back. You cannot segregate them either.
You can't get the bad kids out of the system and give the good kids a chance to learn.

Gangs, drugs, crime along with an "I don't care" attitude towards school.
The parents of these kids are no better..that is if you could EVER get in touch with them.

Those parents that care are stuck there. I feel sorry for them.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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When you're working all day at a crappy low wage job, you can't home school your kid and you certainly can't send your kid to a private school unless your kid is good enough to get a full scholarship.

I was #2 in my class and got a 50% scholarship (the school had a few 50% scholarships provided by alumni) to a parochial high school, but obviously the vast majority of kids don't have that option.

And yes, liberals are to blame for denying more options for school choice.

It's not the schools.

It's the kids who fail themselves or not.

It's parents who fail their kids or not.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:39 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I went to the local college to get a shower every day, I went to the local library to use their computers. I actually got access to a college computer room so I could program. And no, I didnt have to carry inventory, or capital equipment when I started out.. Thats why public libraries and other organizations exist. USE THEM..
The fact that you want to whine all day long, waaa, waaa, I cant do it, is the first sign of failure...


SOCIALIST!
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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The USA does not have a cast system unlike Great Britain. Parents can be upwardly mobile, as can their children, when they have a mind to do so. The opportunity exists if people choose to work hard to attain that which they want.

Economist Joseph Stiglitz on income inequality in the U.S. | Marketplace.org

Stiglitz: That's right. The United States has become the most unequal country among the advanced industrial countries. Some people have said, 'we don't care of equality of outcome, what we really care about is equality of opportunity.' America's the land of opportunity. We have less opportunity than not only the countries of all of Europe, but any of the advanced industrial countries for which there's data. And what that means is very simple: The life chances of an individual are more dependent on the income and education of his parent than in other countries. And an implication of that is people born in the bottom, who unfortunately chose the parents who were poor or not well-educated, will be more likely not to be able to live up to his potential.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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Then MOVE!!

Did someone just lob me a softball or what?

The lack of free markets in housing and land use prevent many poor people from moving to places where they would be able to send their kids to better schools, especially when they are competing with more affluent parents who are shopping for the best neighborhoods and school districts they can get into.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:43 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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...when they go to great lengths to keep their kids out of failing public schools? (e.g. they often homeschool their kids or do everything possible to avoid failing public schools and put their kids in better schools)
I work with some home schooled graduates. They are nothing to brag about.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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I work with some home schooled graduates. They are nothing to brag about.
Considering the source....that's pretty (really) bad.
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Old 06-07-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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So you equate equal opportunity with becoming rich?

Why doesn't equal opportunity mean being able to climb the ladder one step at a time?

Once you reach the first rung you are on your way. If you strive for something else, you can usually get there, if you work hard enough.

That's all that opportunity means.


You are not supposed to be given wealth. You have to earn it. And everyone has the same shot at it.

this is the biggest pile of romney I have ever read on here and that is saying something
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