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Old 06-20-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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It is stupid, malicious and false.
Back that up Comrade. Let's see the facts you have about Obama's Grandfather. Let's see the documentation that we was tried, convicted and tortured.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:01 PM
 
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I was being kind. It is worse than silly. It is stupid, malicious and false.

Better?


Bull****. One's family history is what it is. Respect has nothing to do with it.


1) There is no hint that Obama does not like the Brits.

2) If he believes it himself, then it can hardly be a lie, now. Can it?

3) There is still a very good chance the story is true anyway.


Yep.
Yee haa!

Talk about revising history, eh comrade? Start with Churchill's statue - Barack Obama sends bust of Winston Churchill on its way back to Britain - Telegraph

It may not have meant much to you libs back in 2009 but it was a sharp dagger in US/UK relations and a festering sore that has only gotten worse.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Back that up Comrade.
I will back up what I said. I will not back your straw man.

His step grandmother Sarah Obama Onyango (i.e. the woman actually married to the guy) has repeatedly testified to his arrest and torture. She is also (according to his book) the source of Obama's version.

QED: It is stupid, malicious and false to claim that Obama lied about it.

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Originally Posted by SourD
Let's see the documentation that we was tried, convicted and tortured.
No such documentation exists for anybody tried, convicted, jailed or tortured by the British as a result of the Mau-mau insurrection. All those records were systematically and deliberately destroyed by the British themselves after six years. But nobody pretends such trials, jailing and torture did not occur.

So... what we have is dueling testimony (after 63 years) between the woman who was married to Onyango, and a number of people alleged to have have been acquaintances.

Factually it's a snoozer. Rhetorically it's stupid, false and malicious.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Yee haa!

Talk about revising history, eh comrade? Start with Churchill's statue - Barack Obama sends bust of Winston Churchill on its way back to Britain - Telegraph
What about returning a bust of Churchill indicates any dislike of the British?

It is fascinating the dumb things you guys hold onto like they were a magic talisman.



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It may not have meant much to you libs back in 2009 but it was a sharp dagger in US/UK relations and a festering sore that has only gotten worse.
It was no such thing. It was merely one of the first examples of fake right-wing outrage over silly stuff.
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
I will back up what I said. I will not back your straw man.

His step grandmother Sarah Obama Onyango (i.e. the woman actually married to the guy) has repeatedly testified to his arrest and torture. She is also (according to his book) the source of Obama's version.

QED: It is stupid, malicious and false to claim that Obama lied about it.


No such documentation exists for anybody tried, convicted, jailed or tortured by the British as a result of the Mau-mau insurrection. All those records were systematically and deliberately destroyed by the British themselves after six years. But nobody pretends such trials, jailing and torture did not occur.

So... what we have is dueling testimony (after 63 years) between the woman who was married to Onyango, and a number of people alleged to have have been acquaintances.

Factually it's a snoozer. Rhetorically it's stupid, false and malicious.
Like I said earlier, Obama has a lineage full of liars, where do you think he gets it from?
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Like I said earlier, Obama has a lineage full of liars, where do you think he gets it from?
Republican hallucinations.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama lives in fantasy land always making up stories.. the guy needs a head shrink.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Seeing that Obama was only relating what his Grandmother told him, how is Obama lying?

My grandmother used to tell me that she and her 10 sisters and brothers, walked to school every morning, from their family farm on Maui. Said that it was a long walk. My high school report about plantation workers and their lives included this anecdote by my grandmother.

10 years after her death while researching my family for a personal project, I found out that:
1) her family farm was only 2 miles from the school she attended (she dropped out in 5th grade since it was better to work than to go to school)

2) that only she and two of her sisters walked together (not all of her siblings) All her other siblings were much older and were already working in the Plantation fields.



So, did I lie in my report? No. I'm not responsible for what my grandmother told, for which I thought it was the truth.
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Like I said earlier, Obama has a lineage full of liars, where do you think he gets it from?
Such an erudite rebuttal of the post you quoted.
Cant rebutt what HD actually said, so you resort to maligning dead relatives.
Alrighty then.
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:27 PM
 
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Looking at how Obama is stepping on his OWN "junk" in 2012; who cares about what happened about his father's father if it can't be proven either way? Sheesh!
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