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Old 06-25-2012, 01:57 PM
 
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It was absolutely the correct ruling. This ruling simply strengthened precedent.

It's funny how some think that a candidate for office could spend $50 million dollars telling us why such and such group is bad but it would be wrong for that group to spend $1 million defending themselves from those accusations.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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Corporate COE's and Boards of Director members are human beings and citizens. A corporation is not. Individuals can contribute as they please. Just let everybody know who is doing what.

These secret superpacs will have us all being serfs in another 10 years.

I no longer have any respect for the SC. They are mostly just some more political hacks. I still cannot believe that Clarence Thomas forgot the 600K his wife was 'paid' by some group.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:05 PM
 
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There should be limitations to how much someone can donate to a candidate but there should also be a shorter election cycle. It's ridiculous how long these campaigns go on for and how much these campaigns cost. Super Pacs are also a joke.

Here is what I would like to see. Campaign contributions are acceptable in the primaries but up to a certain amount total. After the primary you do the same thing but double the limit. From there it's up to the candidates and their campaigns to spend wisely. You know....budget. That way we can see who is the most fiscally responsible candidate out there. Hell make that the case for all political offices.

There is way too much money spent during the election cycle and companies/lobbyists have way too much access to candidates.
Just to note. Citizen United was never about what someone can give to a candidate. It was about how them spending money on their own outside of the campaign was to be handled.

Politicians in their zeal to control the message is what brought about McCain/Feingold. Nothing more. They didn't want outside influences having a say that they could not control.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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I don't think it matters. It's the lobbyists and back room meetings that are affecting us the most.

You got insurance guys writing healthcare bills and bankers writing consumer protection bills for pete's sake.
That's why Congress has no clue what's in them.
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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The Court has issued a couple of good decisions today, but this isn't one of them. Ruling on a Montana law which would prevent corporations from donating to political campaigns, the Court had an opportunity to re-visit one of the most destructive rulings in many years, the Citizens United ruling. But, they refused to do so in a very tersely worded opinion.

One wonders why they took the case to begin with.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...1-1179h9j3.pdf
I'm sorry to hear that you want to deny people the right to free speach.. Who nominated you king of the world and under what grounds do you wish to take these rights away?
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:04 PM
 
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Four justices are allowed to decide to accept cases without the others' approval. I would bet that the four liberal justices decided to take it.

Look - I have major concerns with what Citizens United allows, but I at least to some extent agree with the spirit of it. I have mixed feelings about it.
Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, and Kagan were the dissenters.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:19 PM
 
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The Court has issued a couple of good decisions today, but this isn't one of them. Ruling on a Montana law which would prevent corporations from donating to political campaigns, the Court had an opportunity to re-visit one of the most destructive rulings in many years, the Citizens United ruling. But, they refused to do so in a very tersely worded opinion.

One wonders why they took the case to begin with.


http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...1-1179h9j3.pdf
Let's all remember who it was here that voted to make corporations (legal entities created by State Law) have the same right as US citizen do.

It was the 5 GOP appointed right wing Justices who have sided with corporations every single time, and the 4 Dem appointed Justices who stood up for us and tried to stop them.

If people are too stupid to understand how gravely hurtful this ruling is to Democracy and the middle class, then you deserve the bad times that are coming ahead.

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Old 06-25-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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Let's all remember who it was here that voted to make corporations (legal entities created by State Law) have the same right as US citizen do.

It was the 5 GOP appointed right wing Justices who have sides with corporations every single time, and the 4 Dem appointed Justices who stood up for us and tried to stop them.

If people are too stupid to understand how gravely hurtful this ruling is to Democracy and the middle class, then you deserve the bad times that are coming ahead.

Of course you left out Public and Private Unions that benefited the same from this ruling.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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Let's all remember who it was here that voted to make corporations (legal entities created by State Law) have the same right as US citizen do.
They ALWAYS had those rights, granted to them by the Constitution.
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:33 PM
 
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Of course you left out Public and Private Unions that benefited the same from this ruling.
No they will be hurt by this because the money they contribute will be like a drop in the bucket compared to the corporate cash that is flowing in by the hundreds of Millions.

No entity concerned with citizens rights, middle class benefits will be able to compete with these corporations in terms of campaign donations.

You white, middle aged to elderly, males don't even realize how you screwed the pooch here. ...This fiasco was 30 years in the making.

You've truly cut your own family's throat in terms of leaving them a middle class future. I hope all that macho warmongering, and sticking it to brown people was worth it.
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