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Old 06-30-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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That works for the 61% of workers with employer-provided health insurance, what about the other 39%? Surely you would be among the first to gripe if they decided to quit their jobs and go on Medicaid.
Obamacare is expected to throw up to 20M more people off their employer sponsored health insurance. I'm sure you'll be one of the first to whine about how big greedy corporations are kicking people off.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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It's magic. Nothing the government does is cost effective or haven't people noticed yet ?
Government doesn't watch what it spends like you or I do. You see we have to live within a budget.
Government can just accumulate debt and have the Fed buy a few hundred million worth of Treasuries to add to our credit line.

Nothing in this bill will contain rising healthcare costs so government subsidies will balloon as will individual payments.
We still have about 1.5 years before this kicks in fully though.
From CMS Final Rule on Rate Increase Disclosure and Review - Kaiser Health Reform:

Click on the CMS Final Rule, Page 1, Middle Section:

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Section 1003 of the Affordable Care Act adds a new section 2794 of the PHS Act, which directs the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (the Secretary), in conjunction with the States, to establish a process for the annual review of ‘‘unreasonable increases in premiums for health insurance coverage.’’ The statute provides that health insurance issuers must submit to the Secretary and the applicable State justifications for unreasonable premium increases prior to the implementation of the increases. Section 2794 of the PHS Act does not apply to grandfathered health insurance coverage, nor does it apply to self-funded plans.
Further, you can go here (Rate Review, Individual - Kaiser State Health Facts) to see if your state has created a review authority.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:05 AM
 
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What a surprise. :roll eyes:

They're afraid they won't have the money to pay their state's 10% of the cost of expanding Medicaid to cover the poorest of the poor, but they never seem to have a problem supporting or subsidizing their corporate buddies through tax breaks, outsourcing of government services and direct grants to business for "economic development."

Once again, the Republican's show their true colors. Nobody counts to them but the wealthy. If handed power in November, they'd probably re-write the poem found on the Statue of Liberty ("The New Colossus," by Emma Lazarus):

"Give me your comfortable, your wealthy,
Your elites yearning to make more profit,
Keep the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
We don't want these, the homeless and tempest-tost.
We snuff the lamp beside the closed door!"



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/us...it_th_20120630

Newsflash-

The states are broke and do not have the money. I guess you were not paying attention to the situation in Wisconsin regarding pensions for state workers.

Perhaps, since it is very important to YOU, YOU could pay for the cost of this mess. Liberals are always the first to demand money for something important to THEM, but are NEVER WILLING to pay any money themselves.

Now what do you want to cut from state budgets to pay for this????
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Who will pay for the burger flippers coverage? More taxes on the people.

(1) Currently, burger flippers subsidize employer-provided health benefits for other workers through regressive state taxes.

(2) Workers with untaxed employer-provided fringes should start paying their fair share of taxes, specifically their freebies should now be taxed. (Horrors!)

(3) New revenue from this newly collected tax should be dedicated to subsidizing coverage for burger flippers. (And not spent on inflated salaries and pensions.)

(4) Burger flippers, in turn, should now pay tax on the new subsidy they receive.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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Further, you can go here (Rate Review, Individual - Kaiser State Health Facts) to see if your state has created a review authority.
The states already have power to review unreasonable increases in premiums. Each state has a state insurance commission.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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From CMS Final Rule on Rate Increase Disclosure and Review - Kaiser Health Reform:

Click on the CMS Final Rule, Page 1, Middle Section:



Further, you can go here (Rate Review, Individual - Kaiser State Health Facts) to see if your state has created a review authority.
That is HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS, not HEALTH CARE COSTS. See the difference.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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The federal government will pay the full cost of that expansion at first, with the state's share rising to only 10% in 2024 (or somewhere in there).

In any case, the point is that those states could afford it if they wanted to, but that might mean cutting off corporate access to the state treasury. If faced with the choice of continuing to transfer your tax dollars to their corporate buddies or cutting poor people off from healthcare, the GOP has shown consistently where they stand. This is just more proof of how much the little people mean to the GOP.
Right-

Can you show us where state treasuries are giving money to corporations??? Are you talking about tax breaks to provide incentives to corporations such that the citizens of a state CAN WORK????

What current state services DO YOU WANT TO CUT to pay for this? Schools? Roads? Parks? Police? Universities?

What liberals do not understand that is EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY. Someone has to pay for this. States are already strapped and cannot afford it. Like a whining child, a liberal will DEMAND a treat and have no concern for the cost of obtaining that treat. Finding the money for the treat is the job of the adults of the world, who must make hard decisions when there are not infinite available funds.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:10 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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What a surprise. :roll eyes:

They're afraid they won't have the money to pay their state's 10% of the cost of expanding Medicaid to cover the poorest of the poor...
I hardly consider someone who makes $30,657 a year "the poorest of the poor". My husband and I make a fraction of that and manage to do very well without ANY government hand-out of any kind.

Do YOU like subsidizing these people? I don't.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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Newsflash-

The states are broke and do not have the money. I guess you were not paying attention to the situation in Wisconsin regarding pensions for state workers.

Perhaps, since it is very important to YOU, YOU could pay for the cost of this mess. Liberals are always the first to demand money for something important to THEM, but are NEVER WILLING to pay any money themselves.

Now what do you want to cut from state budgets to pay for this????

I want burger flippers to STOP SUBSIDIZING health insurance and other freebies for other workers through regressive state taxes..

These freebies should be taxed.

The new revenue derived from taxing the freebies should be dedicated to subsidize coverage for the burger flippers.

The burger flippers in turn should now pay tax on the subsidies they receive.
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Old 06-30-2012, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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That is HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS, not HEALTH CARE COSTS. See the difference.
I'm under the impression he is speaking about the cost to the individual (premiums, insurance costs), because he ends his sentence with "individual payments".

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Nothing in this bill will contain rising healthcare costs so government subsidies will balloon as will individual payments.
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