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sky's post obviously touched a nerve with you, so much of a nerve that you wrote a little shaming blurb (thankfully a bit more than the usual cd hominem). There's nothing at all emotional about what he wrote, in fact its a quite logical assessment.
The nerve it touched is the "I get fed up when people write stupid ****" nerve. It gets touched a lot on this forum.
How is it logical to come on here and basically proclaim: "Basically all women are materialistic she-devils, and all relationships and marriages are shams?" Do you really think that is true? Can you really not identify some significant fallacies with this kind of a statement? If this is what you believe to be logical, then you and I clearly have nothing to discuss.
Most people on here are missing some of the real reasons, one mainly being the parents of the previous generation abandoned this generation of children who are now grown and it has effected men more than women.
I'm 22 and I'll give you an example, I'm from a working/middle class suburb that will remain nameless. On my block I grew up only about half the guys my age even knew who there father was. NONE of us had fathers in our lives. Out of the 20 guys I grew up riding the bus with, literally only 4 of us had fathers. The majority of the kids growing up in my neighborhood were boys, we outnumbered the girls 2 to 1.
The local shopping center only hired women, for the most part attractive women. Half the places if you were not a hot girl you were not going to be hired, and in all the places women outnumbered men 5 to 1, literally. Almost all the managers were women, most of them lesbians, the only few guy managers there were, were store owners or were gay. If you wanted to get hired 9/10 you had to go thru a woman that in all likelihood had daddy issues and hated men.
So we don't have any male role models in our community, and because of discrimination we can't get jobs, most of us turned to a life of crime as a way to find an identity and just make sure our moms bills were payed. Many of us went to jail and got out and now can't get a job anywhere in this country.
When the recession hit it got worse, it seemed like every guy around in my age started stealing, robbing, and dealing, we just lost hope. We had no hope of ever gaining unemployment in this sexist area before the recession, now even the girls can't get jobs here so we knew there was no hope anywhere for us. We felt like crime was our ticket to a better life, but heres the catch 22, cause this is the suburbs the cops are super vigilant here so getting locked up is quick and easy and to top it off the recession really killed the dope game. We could only make money breaking the law, but the money we could make was pennies on the dollar compared to what it used to be even doing that. No opportunity, not even in an underground market that we based all our hopes and dreams in.
My neighborhood is a quiet suburb that at one time was middle class, now it's more working/lower class, alot of folks are really struggling. This particular neighborhood sense the recession now has a reputation of being a place where violent criminals are from. We never broke the law in our own neighborhood. We always would take trips to other places in search of victims, so it's a dichotomy, it's a safe neighborhood to live in, inhabited by alot of criminals. I can always tell if someone is in the dope game by there reaction when I tell them the mostly white suburb I'm from. squares not from the dope game always say something like "wow, that's a super nice place." boys from the dope game always wanna know if I sell dope or are in a gang. If police ask me where I'm from I'll lie cause they will stereotype me as a dopeboy. It's crazy.
People look at crime statistics and say crime is much better, that only tells half the story. In reality more people are criminals now, they are just less successful because there is less money to be made cause of the recession. There also no longer concentrated in the ghetto. Thugs now adays mostly live in mostly white suburbs and most of them are white believe it or not. Murder rates are lower cause theres so little money to be made dealing dope now unless your on a college campus, every drug addict sells now, and we are spread out in suburbia so we are not on top of each other. There is less beef and we are less violent but there are way more of us. We also steal from stores alot more and rob each other way more. (unreported crimes) Armed robberies over here are common even though it's still pretty safe, but crime statistics say otherwise cause we don't snitch an usually someones only getting robbed for like $20 so a fistfight or retaliation robbery usually solves that, not a homicide.
If this recession ever ends and the economy ever skyrockets again, expect a MASSIVE crime wave in white suburbs that will be unlike anything people have seen sense the crack epidemic. The only thing preventing many young men from taking a life real talk is a lack of transportation and money to kill over. This is a lost generation of men and it's no longer a racial thing. Whiteboys right now are going thru the same things that blackboys are going thru too and have been going thru sense this country was started. Opression and lack of opportunity.
You older people can point at us all day and call us lazy, but we are not. Alot of us are walking hours every day to catch the bus in hope of finding a job that doesn't exist. Many of us are hustling non stop just for bus fare to get to the temp agency, none of my grown male friends play video games. The reality is you guys and this country in general has dealt generation Y men of all races that don't come from wealthy backgrounds a really f***ed up hand and we are just trying to survive and cope. You can call the rich kids lazy, but for alot of us that don't come from the wealthy elite, we are just trapped in really bad situations you can't even begin to understand. We are a social experiment.
Last edited by Ignorantposter; 07-16-2012 at 12:28 AM..
So, because women were given a chance to be successful, and succeeded, it's our fault men are living at home and mooching off their parents? Men get PLENTY of opportunities, women are still only 3% of Fortune 500 CEOs, women comprise less than 3% of my chosen career field. Men need to quit blaming their lack of success on women.
Oh, and I happen to prefer 'average Joes' as do most of the women I know. I don't think it's too much to ask that a man doesn't live with his parents, has a job and doesn't sit around playing video games, looking at porn and smoking weed all day. Apparently, not wanting those things is considered too 'upscale' now?
But women are also picky about WHICH jobs men have. By my estimate, the bottom third to half of all employed men are rejected by women today as not good enough, and the next higher quintile is barely acceptable and then only in middle age if all else fails.
Unemployed, living with parents, and underclass men have always been considered unmarriageable, but that bar is creeping higher and higher.
Most people on here are missing some of the real reasons, one mainly being the parents of the previous generation abandoned this generation of children who are now grown and it has effected men more than women.
I'm 22 and I'll give you an example, I'm from a working/middle class suburb that will remain nameless. On my block I grew up only about half the guys my age even knew who there father was. NONE of us had fathers in our lives. Out of the 20 guys I grew up riding the bus with, literally only 4 of us had fathers. The majority of the kids growing up in my neighborhood were boys, we outnumbered the girls 2 to 1.
The local shopping center only hired women, for the most part attractive women. Half the places if you were not a hot girl you were not going to be hired, and in all the places women outnumbered men 5 to 1, literally. Almost all the managers were women, most of them lesbians, the only few guy managers there were, were store owners or were gay. If you wanted to get hired 9/10 you had to go thru a woman that in all likelihood had daddy issues and hated men.
So we don't have any male role models in our community, and because of discrimination we can't get jobs, most of us turned to a life of crime as a way to find an identity and just make sure our moms bills were payed. Many of us went to jail and got out and now can't get a job anywhere in this country.
When the recession hit it got worse, it seemed like every guy around in my age started stealing, robbing, and dealing, we just lost hope. We had no hope of ever gaining unemployment in this sexist area before the recession, now even the girls can't get jobs here so we knew there was no hope anywhere for us. We felt like crime was our ticket to a better life, but heres the catch 22, cause this is the suburbs the cops are super vigilant here so getting locked up is quick and easy and to top it off the recession really killed the dope game. We could only make money breaking the law, but the money we could make was pennies on the dollar compared to what it used to be even doing that. No opportunity, not even in an underground market that we based all our hopes and dreams in.
My neighborhood is a quiet suburb that at one time was middle class, now it's more working/lower class, alot of folks are really struggling. This particular neighborhood sense the recession now has a reputation of being a place where violent criminals are from. We never broke the law in our own neighborhood. We always would take trips to other places in search of victims, so it's a dichotomy, it's a safe neighborhood to live in, inhabited by alot of criminals. I can always tell if someone is in the dope game by there reaction when I tell them the mostly white suburb I'm from. squares not from the dope game always say something like "wow, that's a super nice place." boys from the dope game always wanna know if I sell dope or are in a gang. If police ask me where I'm from I'll lie cause they will stereotype me as a dopeboy. It's crazy.
People look at crime statistics and say crime is much better, that only tells half the story. In reality more people are criminals now, they are just less successful because there is less money to be made cause of the recession. There also no longer concentrated in the ghetto. Thugs now adays mostly live in mostly white suburbs and most of them are white believe it or not. Murder rates are lower cause theres so little money to be made dealing dope now unless your on a college campus, every drug addict sells now, and we are spread out in suburbia so we are not on top of each other. There is less beef and we are less violent but there are way more of us. We also steal from stores alot more and rob each other way more. (unreported crimes) Armed robberies over here are common even though it's still pretty safe, but crime statistics say otherwise cause we don't snitch an usually someones only getting robbed for like $20 so a fistfight or retaliation robbery usually solves that, not a homicide.
If this recession ever ends and the economy ever skyrockets again, expect a MASSIVE crime wave in white suburbs that will be unlike anything people have seen sense the crack epidemic. The only thing preventing many young men from taking a life real talk is a lack of transportation and money to kill over. This is a lost generation of men and it's no longer a racial thing. Whiteboys right now are going thru the same things that blackboys are going thru too and have been going thru sense this country was started. Opression and lack of opportunity.
You older people can point at us all day and call us lazy, but we are not. Alot of us are walking hours every day to catch the bus in hope of finding a job that doesn't exist. Many of us are hustling non stop just for bus fare to get to the temp agency, none of my grown male friends play video games. The reality is you guys and this country in general has dealt generation Y men of all races that don't come from wealthy backgrounds a really f***ed up hand and we are just trying to survive and cope. You can call the rich kids lazy, but for alot of us that don't come from the wealthy elite, we are just trapped in really bad situations you can't even begin to understand. We are a social experiment.
Interesting and totally believable. Thanks for telling your story (presuming, for the moment, its authenticity). I agree that it's a helluva mess for young men today and there will be hell to pay for everyone someday.
Having said that, do yourself a favor and get out of the crime business. That's a ticket to nowhere. Spreading the pain around doesn't help anybody. Clean yourself up, volunteer, start helping people instead of hurting them, make some good connections in the community, and pray. Something will turn up for you.
Most people on here are missing some of the real reasons, one mainly being the parents of the previous generation abandoned this generation of children who are now grown and it has effected men more than women.
I'm 22 and I'll give you an example, I'm from a working/middle class suburb that will remain nameless. On my block I grew up only about half the guys my age even knew who there father was. NONE of us had fathers in our lives. Out of the 20 guys I grew up riding the bus with, literally only 4 of us had fathers. The majority of the kids growing up in my neighborhood were boys, we outnumbered the girls 2 to 1.
The local shopping center only hired women, for the most part attractive women. Half the places if you were not a hot girl you were not going to be hired, and in all the places women outnumbered men 5 to 1, literally. Almost all the managers were women, most of them lesbians, the only few guy managers there were, were store owners or were gay. If you wanted to get hired 9/10 you had to go thru a woman that in all likelihood had daddy issues and hated men.
So we don't have any male role models in our community, and because of discrimination we can't get jobs, most of us turned to a life of crime as a way to find an identity and just make sure our moms bills were payed. Many of us went to jail and got out and now can't get a job anywhere in this country.
When the recession hit it got worse, it seemed like every guy around in my age started stealing, robbing, and dealing, we just lost hope. We had no hope of ever gaining unemployment in this sexist area before the recession, now even the girls can't get jobs here so we knew there was no hope anywhere for us. We felt like crime was our ticket to a better life, but heres the catch 22, cause this is the suburbs the cops are super vigilant here so getting locked up is quick and easy and to top it off the recession really killed the dope game. We could only make money breaking the law, but the money we could make was pennies on the dollar compared to what it used to be even doing that. No opportunity, not even in an underground market that we based all our hopes and dreams in.
My neighborhood is a quiet suburb that at one time was middle class, now it's more working/lower class, alot of folks are really struggling. This particular neighborhood sense the recession now has a reputation of being a place where violent criminals are from. We never broke the law in our own neighborhood. We always would take trips to other places in search of victims, so it's a dichotomy, it's a safe neighborhood to live in, inhabited by alot of criminals. I can always tell if someone is in the dope game by there reaction when I tell them the mostly white suburb I'm from. squares not from the dope game always say something like "wow, that's a super nice place." boys from the dope game always wanna know if I sell dope or are in a gang. If police ask me where I'm from I'll lie cause they will stereotype me as a dopeboy. It's crazy.
People look at crime statistics and say crime is much better, that only tells half the story. In reality more people are criminals now, they are just less successful because there is less money to be made cause of the recession. There also no longer concentrated in the ghetto. Thugs now adays mostly live in mostly white suburbs and most of them are white believe it or not. Murder rates are lower cause theres so little money to be made dealing dope now unless your on a college campus, every drug addict sells now, and we are spread out in suburbia so we are not on top of each other. There is less beef and we are less violent but there are way more of us. We also steal from stores alot more and rob each other way more. (unreported crimes) Armed robberies over here are common even though it's still pretty safe, but crime statistics say otherwise cause we don't snitch an usually someones only getting robbed for like $20 so a fistfight or retaliation robbery usually solves that, not a homicide.
If this recession ever ends and the economy ever skyrockets again, expect a MASSIVE crime wave in white suburbs that will be unlike anything people have seen sense the crack epidemic. The only thing preventing many young men from taking a life real talk is a lack of transportation and money to kill over. This is a lost generation of men and it's no longer a racial thing. Whiteboys right now are going thru the same things that blackboys are going thru too and have been going thru sense this country was started. Opression and lack of opportunity.
You older people can point at us all day and call us lazy, but we are not. Alot of us are walking hours every day to catch the bus in hope of finding a job that doesn't exist. Many of us are hustling non stop just for bus fare to get to the temp agency, none of my grown male friends play video games. The reality is you guys and this country in general has dealt generation Y men of all races that don't come from wealthy backgrounds a really f***ed up hand and we are just trying to survive and cope. You can call the rich kids lazy, but for alot of us that don't come from the wealthy elite, we are just trapped in really bad situations you can't even begin to understand. We are a social experiment.
You write very well. I hope you will do something constructive with your life, you are too intelligent to waste it on petty crime. I am sorry that this country has forsaken the youth, we truly have done you wrong, but you can overcome the obstacles if you are persistent. Otherwise, you are on the path to prison, and that would be our loss as well as yours.
As for dating I've been working towards getting my own place and when I do, rest assured I'll be sitting in there playing video games firing up the porn because I've earned that right and I'll be damned if anyone tries to take that right away from me. I spent a lot of my younger years bending over backwards for dates. Never again. If that means I'll be alone well I'm used to it now so no skin off my back.
How about combining porn within a video game? Gotta be a market for that.
If this recession ever ends and the economy ever skyrockets again, expect a MASSIVE crime wave in white suburbs that will be unlike anything people have seen sense the crack epidemic. The only thing preventing many young men from taking a life real talk is a lack of transportation and money to kill over.
I for one would really like to know where this dystopian middle class suburb of IgnorantPoster's is so i can avoid it, what with the roving zombie gangs of murdering white teens and shopping malls controlled by man-hating lesbians. Scary stuff!
If you live with "Mommy and Daddy" cause you can't cut the mustard in a rather difficult economy you have my sympathies, but don't expect you to respect you as a man.
So if a guy has an $8/hr job and lives with "Mommy and Daddy" (and $50K saved for a home down payment) socking away $7K/yr by not renting an apartment) you have no respect,, but if he has an $8/hr job and an apartment and nothing in the bank, you respect him? Doubtful.
You write very well. I hope you will do something constructive with your life, you are too intelligent to waste it on petty crime. I am sorry that this country has forsaken the youth, we truly have done you wrong, but you can overcome the obstacles if you are persistent. Otherwise, you are on the path to prison, and that would be our loss as well as yours.
I'm not a criminal and never have been. Unfortunately many of my childhood friends are. Alot are in jail, but most are just stuck out here with criminal records living with there moms with no hope of ever doing anything with there life other than breaking the law. The messed up part is there all between 18 and 25 and already there lives are over. I'm actually doing alright with my life, I'm still poor but at least my records are clean and I'm in trade school. I'm one of the exceptions.
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