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That's not the choice you're offering though; you're offering being fed with no family versus not being fed with family. And the point is that that's a horrible choice to offer.
Sometimes life presents us with poor choices. Do you think illegal immigrants want to be here with no family? Do you think they want to be caught crossing the border after visiting their family?
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Of course it does. It has to do with how we're still making things worse, and how we're not doing enough to mitigate the damage we've done.
My point was the damage has already been done. FICA + medicare taxes are 15.3% plus real estate income is being taxed an additional 3.8% and we have to raise it plus cut benefits in order to retain solvency. When those taxes go up people will be in worse shape.
Boomers won't let that happen. "No tax increase" "get your hands off my medicare"
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My sister doesn't. And don't climb back on the high horse presuming to know her life, presuming to declare from up-on-high that there are better jobs available (she actually looks for better jobs), that she could get more education (she works at it whenever she can afford to), etc. There are real, structural problems with our economy. Stop insinuating that they don't exist.
I never said they don't exist and I didn't bring your sister into this. The average salary for a secretary is $32K, that isn't working poor to me. Computers decimated the secretary field quite some time ago and those days aren't coming back. We have only a handful of secretaries where I work. Each secretary works for 3 people. They aren't working poor though.
Do you think illegal immigrants want to be here with no family? Do you think they want to be caught crossing the border after visiting their family?
Ice cream has no bones.
(I'm not talking about immigration in this thread. My sister was born here, as was her mother, and her mother, etc.)
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My point was the damage has already been done.
And so now we need to safeguard those least fortunate against the negative effects of the existing damage, fix the damage, and prevent more damage going forward.
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Boomers won't let that happen.
Sometimes life presents us with poor choices.
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I never said they don't exist and I didn't bring your sister into this.
I did. You made a comment about fast food workers, labeling them, "not premium quality". Given that they're no better or worse off than my sister, I brought my sister into the discussion.
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The average salary for a secretary is $32K, that isn't working poor to me.
I said she was a receptionist. I haven't asked her her salary, but I see comparable jobs listed for $15k per year. Working poor.
(I'm not talking about immigration in this thread. My sister was born here, as was her mother, and her mother, etc.)
So what? Mexicans are born in Mexico. We are not better simply because we are American. The only difference is opportunities that are available not life decisions. Mexicans are not the only people that switch countries.
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And so now we need to safeguard those least fortunate against the negative effects of the existing damage, fix the damage, and prevent more damage going forward.
I'm not in disagreement.
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Sometimes life presents us with poor choices.
Unfortunately, the boomers are the largest voting block. Medicare part B was the largest unfunded spending increase that I'm aware of. If a politician ran on eliminating that program he would not win without boomer support. Sooner or later a politician will raise the taxes but not decrease the benefits.
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I did. You made a comment about fast food workers, labeling them, "not premium quality". Given that they're no better or worse off than my sister, I brought my sister into the discussion.
I said she was a receptionist. I haven't asked her her salary, but I see comparable jobs listed for $15k per year. Working poor.
I stand by my comment. Fast food workers all pretty much make the same wage and they are not premium quality. Most people of value either move up or out of the fast food business. One of my classmates is an assistant mgr at one; the job isn't rocket science. Computers lowered the demand while not decreasing the supply of secretaries. Technology, on the other hand hasn't really impacted fast food.
Secretary positions range from slightly above min wage to $70K, but the same goes for nursing.
I stand by my comment. Fast food workers all pretty much make the same wage and they are not premium quality. Most people of value either move up or out of the fast food business. One of my classmates is an assistant mgr at one; the job isn't rocket science. Computers lowered the demand while not decreasing the supply of secretaries. Technology, on the other hand hasn't really impacted fast food.
Secretary positions range from slightly above min wage to $70K, but the same goes for nursing.
You are spot on, and the reality is for the most part, McD's and company do not automate because the labor is inexpensive enough to make the ROI on automated equipment not worth doing, whereas the secretary cost enough (especially since almost all of them get Health Insurance) to make the ROI on reducing those positions a financially worthwhile task.
Very few corps will auotmate anything if they do not save at least as much in 2 years or less than the investment cost incurred.
A heavy alcohol hobby can have that effect too. There isn't anything actually stopping anyone from having an IRA. There usually aren't min amounts to invest aside from the initial $500.
I had $4,000 by the time I greaduated hs in the early 1970s (like $20k today) and i blew it all on college.
I had $4,000 by the time I greaduated hs in the early 1970s (like $20k today) and i blew it all on college.
For most people that would have been a wise investment. You know what an anomaly is right? how about deviation from the norm? My master's program is close to $75K.
Imagine how much money they could save up pretty fast if they didn't buy iPhones and unlimited data and text messaging plans, and if they gave up cable television and every meal out.
Imagine how much money they could save up pretty fast if they didn't buy iPhones and unlimited data and text messaging plans, and if they gave up cable television and every meal out.
Add in when you find a zip code with low median incomes, you have found a zip code that buys far more than its per capita share of lottery tickets.
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