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Old 07-25-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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And that partial audit alone revealed $16 Trillion in secret loans issued to American and foreign banks.
Not only that, but board members of The Federal Reserve worked for "Too Big To Fail Banks" (their term) while they were issuing bailouts, to themselves.

The Fed Audit - Newsroom: Bernie Sanders - U.S. Senator for Vermont

"For example, the CEO of JP Morgan Chase served on the New York Fed's board of directors at the same time that his bank received more than $390 billion in financial assistance from the Fed. Moreover, JP Morgan Chase served as one of the clearing banks for the Fed's emergency lending programs."
Think of all the jobs that could have been created or retained with that $16 trillion (teachers, firemen, public works projects, etc.)

Of course, it really doesn't matter - how can they find *anyone* detached enough to audit the Fed, find their stinking lies, and live long enough to report it? Believe me, if there was ANY danger of the Fed's power being broken, people would start being found face-down in the Potomac.

And so, nothing will change... our money will continue to be rendered worthless thanks to Bailouts and Quantitative Easing... inflation will continue to grow... and the banks will continue to steal the wealth of generations until this nation is completely bankrupt on every level. Then, they will abandon this broken husk and move on to their next victim, like parasites.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:00 PM
 
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No, thats what fed audits and budgets with no revenue increases are, partisan attacks with no solutions.
This passed with bi-partisan support.

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The solution is to balance the budget, and the best option for that right now, Simpson-Bowles. Because without 60 seats in the senate, both sides have to compromise, period.

If not, we'll go belly up.

If you balance the budget, there is no need for the fed to print money.

End of story.
Want to bet? With a balanced budget it's far harder for JPMorgan to make year in and year out record profits.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I really hope you are joking, have you seen some of the bills that have passed?

That's my point, why aren't they letting it pass? If you think it has anything to do with wasting tax payer money you are kidding yourself.

Yeah, I've seen them. Massive spending cuts in programs Democratic constituents in the districts and states they were elected from don't support.

Yeah, I've seen them.

Let me ask you a question. If we already audit the feds money every year, and we do, without government oversight, we use outside third party people to do that. Don't know about you, but government can't wipe its own butt, I like third party audits.

Do you think it will cost more, or less money, to audit the fed a third time every year? Just curious.

Since they already know the debt they hold. Since they already know how much money they print, and why, then whats the purpose?

Politics.

And it costs more money, adds more regulation, and costs the tax payers more money at a time when we don't have any money anyway.

So how about balancing the budget, and cut the head off of the snake?
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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Yeah, I've seen them. Massive spending cuts in programs Democratic constituents in the districts and states they were elected from don't support.

Yeah, I've seen them.

Let me ask you a question. If we already audit the feds money every year, and we do, without government oversight, we use outside third party people to do that. Don't know about you, but government can't wipe its own butt, I like third party audits.

Do you think it will cost more, or less money, to audit the fed a third time every year? Just curious.

Since they already know the debt they hold. Since they already know how much money they print, and why, then whats the purpose?

Politics.

And it costs more money, adds more regulation, and costs the tax payers more money at a time when we don't have any money anyway.

So how about balancing the budget, and cut the head off of the snake?
The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke(pictured to the right), Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander’s webpage earlier this morning.

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious - the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is "only" $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is "only" $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world.

In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion.

"This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else." - Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.

Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and supercorporations like Halloween candy. If the Federal Reserve and the bankers who control it believe that they can continue to devalue the savings of Americans and continue to destroy the US economy, they will have to face the realization that their trillion dollar printing presses will eventually plunder the world economy.

The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..

Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

View the 266-page GAO audit of the Federal Reserve(July 21st, 2011): GAO Fed Investigation

Source: U.S. GAO - Federal Reserve System: Opportunities Exist to Strengthen Policies and Processes for Managing Emergency Assistance
FULL PDF on GAO server: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11696.pdf
Senator Sander’s Article: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060dcbb3c3

End the Federal Reserve

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/privat.../gaoaudit.html
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:05 PM
 
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If you don't think this is important, then I don't think there is any reasoning with ya. Ya ever heard the saying that it takes money to make money? Why is the Federal Reserve serving the interests of foreign banks, not the american people?
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:09 PM
 
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Dept of Treasury, part of US Government, prints money.

Fed Reserve, not part of US Government, enacts monetary policy.
Right, it's just us lowly folk that actually have to have the money. Yes my statement is a generalization of how things work.
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:21 PM
 
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The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke(pictured to the right), Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander’s webpage earlier this morning.

What was revealed in the audit was startling:

$16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious - the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is "only" $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is "only" $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world.

In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion.

"This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else." - Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.

Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and supercorporations like Halloween candy. If the Federal Reserve and the bankers who control it believe that they can continue to devalue the savings of Americans and continue to destroy the US economy, they will have to face the realization that their trillion dollar printing presses will eventually plunder the world economy.

The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..

Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

View the 266-page GAO audit of the Federal Reserve(July 21st, 2011): GAO Fed Investigation

Source: U.S. GAO - Federal Reserve System: Opportunities Exist to Strengthen Policies and Processes for Managing Emergency Assistance
FULL PDF on GAO server: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11696.pdf
Senator Sander’s Article: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/n...3-62060dcbb3c3

End the Federal Reserve

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/privat.../gaoaudit.html
What are you crying about? The Fed will save us... right?
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:25 PM
 
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What are you crying about? The Fed will save us... right?
I take it you enjoy supporting international banksters?
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:26 PM
 
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http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...-on-HR-459.pdf
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Old 07-25-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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Default HR 459 Fact Sheet

Source: House Committee on Oversight and Reform

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Ron Paul is a leader who is unafraid to challenge the status quo. Obama-Romney, not so much.
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