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Old 07-25-2012, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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I cant stand propaganda wherever it comes from and today I just heard a classic. Joe Biden gave a speech to the Association of Police Organizations this week and said that the stories of heroism reminded him of the goodness of the American people and why people should be proud to be American???

Those people were heroes, they either helped others or sacrificed themselves for... their friends/family. No doubt about that. But why should that make you proud to be American? Er...what was the nationality of the shooter? Why doesnt that make you ashamed to be an American? Shouldnt Joe have said that too? Doesnt the Sandusky affair make you ashamed to be American? No, because it has NOTHING to do with being American!

You mean to tell me that in every other country in the world every single person would have ignored the plight of their fellowman in that theatre? They would have run out and trampled everybody in their way because they are not American?

No, there are heroes and cowards, saviours and murderers, good people and bad people in every land and a person does not do a heroic or good deed simply because he is of a certain nationality.

And really, wouldnt it be truly sad if that was his/her only motivation...'I did it because I'm an American' and not because, 'I wanted to help my fellowman in a tragic circumstance'.

I like Joe Biden. He seems to be a good family guy in touch with the common man. But c'mon Joe, be proud of the individuals who did a great thing, not because they were Americans, but because they, like many people all over the world, found an inner strength and courage to put themselves in danger of their lives, to help others. That to me shows hope, for humankind, not just America.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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I agree with you about Joe Biden being touched, but these are politicians speaking that are trying to get elected.
He wants to gather favor by kissing some voter butt is all.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:23 PM
 
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Proud to be an American? Not these days. This is not the America most of us grew up loving. This is obama's Amerika and full of hatred from our leaders.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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I cant stand propaganda wherever it comes from and today I just heard a classic. Joe Biden gave a speech to the Association of Police Organizations this week and said that the stories of heroism reminded him of the goodness of the American people and why people should be proud to be American???

Those people were heroes, they either helped others or sacrificed themselves for... their friends/family. No doubt about that. But why should that make you proud to be American? Er...what was the nationality of the shooter? Why doesnt that make you ashamed to be an American? Shouldnt Joe have said that too? Doesnt the Sandusky affair make you ashamed to be American? No, because it has NOTHING to do with being American!

You mean to tell me that in every other country in the world every single person would have ignored the plight of their fellowman in that theatre? They would have run out and trampled everybody in their way because they are not American?

No, there are heroes and cowards, saviours and murderers, good people and bad people in every land and a person does not do a heroic or good deed simply because he is of a certain nationality.

And really, wouldnt it be truly sad if that was his/her only motivation...'I did it because I'm an American' and not because, 'I wanted to help my fellowman in a tragic circumstance'.

I like Joe Biden. He seems to be a good family guy in touch with the common man. But c'mon Joe, be proud of the individuals who did a great thing, not because they were Americans, but because they, like many people all over the world, found an inner strength and courage to put themselves in danger of their lives, to help others. That to me shows hope, for humankind, not just America.
Very well put.
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:57 PM
 
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No. The word 'American' feels soaked in shame & guilt & squandered potential.

Modern America is in a transition from the old capitalist, consumption-based theocratic-leaning majority-rule society to a corporatist, government-heavy (hopefully) benign totalitarian 'idiocracy', where regulation backed-up by emotional sentiment is used to control people. A citizenry that feels accepted at whatever cost will be the goal and anything viewed as detrimental to clean health, upright-seeming political dictums, simple opinions and timely bill-paying will be looked upon as un-needed. Profit will still be lord but the income disparity and affluence gap will purposely be further entrenched and widened accordingly. There is nothing really anyone can do about it. Unity will be attempted through commiseration and criminal penalty for those who will not accede to governmental authority, a state entity that is already supported (controlled) by those who manipulate the services and own the resources. The pigeons who occupy the seats of power will still gurgle-up nonsense and opiate the folks who need to hear that endless blather from the towers to feel something if not simply anything that will cause a beloved distraction. I won't even get into the fiscal dramas ahead aside from that that is what will hammer the last nail in.

No, there really is nothing to be proud of about today's America. A sensible evolution into something other than a neo-fascist state full of social dictates, constant surveillance and paranoiac fantasies from topics as diverse as health to terror plots to fraudulent taxation is seen as something sort of puny & sad & archaic to most these days. But to each their own and so be it if revenge feels better to so many in a society than actually caring about what it is they have been incessantly informed they should care about.

Yet, the malls will probably stay open...

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Old 07-25-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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Biden the same pablum spewing ruling class boob who spouted it's patriotic to pay higher taxes.
Hang em high.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:30 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Biden the same pablum spewing ruling class boob who spouted it's patriotic to pay higher taxes.
Hang em high.
Talk of lynching people makes me proud to be an American...
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:05 AM
 
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I cant stand propaganda wherever it comes from and today I just heard a classic. Joe Biden gave a speech to the Association of Police Organizations this week and said that the stories of heroism reminded him of the goodness of the American people and why people should be proud to be American???

Those people were heroes, they either helped others or sacrificed themselves for... their friends/family. No doubt about that. But why should that make you proud to be American? Er...what was the nationality of the shooter? Why doesnt that make you ashamed to be an American? Shouldnt Joe have said that too? Doesnt the Sandusky affair make you ashamed to be American? No, because it has NOTHING to do with being American!

You mean to tell me that in every other country in the world every single person would have ignored the plight of their fellowman in that theatre? They would have run out and trampled everybody in their way because they are not American?

No, there are heroes and cowards, saviours and murderers, good people and bad people in every land and a person does not do a heroic or good deed simply because he is of a certain nationality.

And really, wouldnt it be truly sad if that was his/her only motivation...'I did it because I'm an American' and not because, 'I wanted to help my fellowman in a tragic circumstance'.

I like Joe Biden. He seems to be a good family guy in touch with the common man. But c'mon Joe, be proud of the individuals who did a great thing, not because they were Americans, but because they, like many people all over the world, found an inner strength and courage to put themselves in danger of their lives, to help others. That to me shows hope, for humankind, not just America.
Jesus... Can't we be proud of this America that our fathers, grandfathers, mothers, great uncles worked their entire lives to build and support? I have relatives who fought for this country from Normandy to the Pacific going all the way back to Washington's army during the Revolution. As an American actively supporting -America-, yes I can be proud of my fellow Americans.

And yes, historically Americans HAVE been a different sort of person. We are STILL a different people compared to the world in the degree of individualism, self-sufficiency and we provide the promise of social mobility for more poor immigrants than any other nation on earth.

We all work and contribute towards the success of the country.

Yes I feel shame for my country when I hear stories about Sandusky or Holmes, but how the HECK do these two d*cks outweigh the good things in a country of 300 million people?

Yes people were lynched 60 years ago, but can't we balance this with the knowledge that American medical and agricultural advances of the past century have allowed millions in Africa and Asia to even exist without starving or dying of disease. Instead of becoming Soviet/Chinese satellites American power and military might also allowed large parts of Europe and Asia to exist as free societies in the decades after WWII.

Despite the endless hammering America gets in the internet media age this country is still a net massive net positive for humanity. That's not to say everything is perfect, but the nihilistic self-flagellation most modern liberals seem to enjoy is TIRESOME.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:17 AM
 
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Talk of lynching people makes me proud to be an American...
And let`s not forget Frank`s greed and selfish attitude.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:41 AM
 
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I cant stand propaganda wherever it comes from and today I just heard a classic. Joe Biden gave a speech to the Association of Police Organizations this week and said that the stories of heroism reminded him of the goodness of the American people and why people should be proud to be American???
Lordy, Lordy...

It is nice to see there are still people perfectly capable of recognizing one nice piece of propaganda when they see one.
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