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Old 08-12-2012, 03:03 PM
 
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I always wonder why the discussion always resolves around the idea that others should pay for peoples education but never about how we could bring the costs down?
Easy. Stop pigeon-holing every kid with a HS diploma into college, and stop requiring a degree for a job that has no reason to require one. Encourage more kids into the trades which have ongoing demand.

If you lessen the demand for costly secondary education, the price will drop.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:06 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Easy. Stop pigeon-holing every kid with a HS diploma into college, and stop requiring a degree for a job that has no reason to require one. Encourage more kids into the trades which have ongoing demand.

If you lessen the demand for costly secondary education, the price will drop.
What would be far more effective is simple: ration the total amount of federally backed loans based on the rate of tuition hikes verses the overall COL index. So if Vanderbilt wants to go up say 15%, while COL rises 3%, limit total loans to students there to perhaps 88% of prior years loans (100% of last year less 12% drop for the overage b/w tuition hike and COL).

Long-term, the ones who think colleges should have whirlpools in dorms, and sushi bars, and presidents mansions, will go bye-bye.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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If you lessen the demand for costly secondary education, the price will drop.
yep, lessen the demand. Stop subsiding, lessen demand. Nobody deserves anything unless they work for it.

There, that should make me real popular lol
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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Ok pknopp, I'll talk about how we could bring cost down. Subsiding drives prices up so the answer is "stop subsiding" lol. If you want something stop looking for someone else to pay for it.
Anything the government subsidizing will indeed continue growing.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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At what tax bracket does one lose their rights? At what tax bracket and income level does one change from a prudent saver to a "heartless selfish hoarder." If a person makes their money through legitimate means it's not YOUR business what they do with it, it's not for you to say how they should spend their money.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: NJ
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At what tax bracket does one lose their rights? At what tax bracket and income level does one change from a prudent saver to a "heartless selfish hoarder." If a person makes their money through legitimate means it's not YOUR business what they do with it, it's not for you to say how they should spend their money.
Amen.
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Old 08-12-2012, 03:21 PM
 
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At what tax bracket does one lose their rights? At what tax bracket and income level does one change from a prudent saver to a "heartless selfish hoarder." If a person makes their money through legitimate means it's not YOUR business what they do with it, it's not for you to say how they should spend their money.
The QE programs are not legitimate. The problem though for those that this would apply to (which is certainly NOT all rich people) isn't that they are hoarding the money, it's that the government gave it to them to start with.
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Old 08-12-2012, 04:04 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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At what tax bracket does one lose their rights? At what tax bracket and income level does one change from a prudent saver to a "heartless selfish hoarder." If a person makes their money through legitimate means it's not YOUR business what they do with it, it's not for you to say how they should spend their money.
Heartless my ass. Funny how Obama is running around saying that he he will help us get to the American dream. Once you get there, he then screws you.

I used to give and contribute to people who needed help. We pay taxes to give to the poor but it is not good enough for you. All you are doing now is trying to play on peoples emotions to give more. You don't do a damn thing to earn your basic survival needs and now you want more? Talk about GREED. And people have the nerve to talk about the greed of the rich. If you don't earn it and demand more, thats greed. After Obama, I don't give a damn anymore.

If you want it, go earn it.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Heartless my ass. Funny how Obama is running around saying that he he will help us get to the American dream. Once you get there, he then screws you.

I used to give and contribute to people who needed help. We pay taxes to give to the poor but it is not good enough for you. All you are doing now is trying to play on peoples emotions to give more. You don't do a damn thing to earn your basic survival needs and now you want more? Talk about GREED. And people have the nerve to talk about the greed of the rich. If you don't earn it and demand more, thats greed. After Obama, I don't give a damn anymore.

If you want it, go earn it.

You are the exception to the rule and not the rule itself. There are many who are wealthy that do not give a damn about anyone else. They will not give to the poor unless forced to do so, neverless pay their fair share in taxes. These are the people that make other charitable well off people look bad. This is considering that many of them acquired their wealthy BECAUSE of the government hand outs and tax breaks in the first place.
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Old 08-13-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Did you ever think some of them started out flipping burgers.

Many of the rich people of the world started out with nothing,
and did work making less than a person flipping burgers.
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But there are more who just by virtual of being born to the right parents became multi-millionaires. See the Wal-Mart family
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