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Old 11-02-2011, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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According to a study published on Monday a U.S. War veteran commits suicide every 80 minutes. The suicides have increased since the start of the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars; among those currently serving from 2005 to 2010 a servicemember commits suicide every 36 hours.

These figures are appalling.....suicide seems to be increasing among all societal groups from gay teens to black youth to older whites and everyone in between......is this a sign of our "mean/hateful" spirited times and economic conditions, since ALL socioeconomic groups and veterans seem equally affected?

A Veteran Dies By Suicide Every 80 Minutes, Center For A New American Security Study Reveals

http://www.cnas.org/files/documents/...llBerglass.pdf

Senators tell VA to reduce veteran suicides | McClatchy

NIMH · Suicide in the U.S.: Statistics and Prevention

Elderly White Men Afflicted by High Suicide Rates - Population Reference Bureau

Gay Teen Suicide

NIMH · Black Teens, Especially Girls, at High Risk for Suicide Attempts

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline - With Help Comes Hope

Suicide.org: Suicide Prevention, Suicide Awareness, Suicide Support - Suicide.org! Suicide.org! Suicide.org!

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Old 11-02-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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Genrally, in our society, to talk about suicide is a taboo. For that reason, anything to do with suicide receives little attention. Not many people care about suicide among civilians or the military. A sad commentary on our society.
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Old 11-02-2011, 09:51 PM
 
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I dunno. I'm conflicted. Our troops are better equipped and better supported than any other army in the history of the world. Further, the term "deployed" is misleading, especially as it pertains to suicides and any correlation to the Iraq/Afghan wars. Seemingly, as the media portrays it, being deployed carries the same weight as actually seeing combat. This couldn't be further from the truth. Hundreds of thousands of troops are deployed in support of the wars across many different countries, most of them not seeing one ounce of actual combat. So that lends the question...why would being deployed contribute to the increase in suicides? I haven't personally studied the phenomenon, but the only reasonable (I use that term lightly) scenario that seems plausible to me are suicides by those who witness horrendous events during true combat operations. Otherwise, I don't see how being deployed in and of itself is a reason for suicide. There has to be other reasons.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:27 PM
 
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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I dunno. I'm conflicted. Our troops are better equipped and better supported than any other army in the history of the world. Further, the term "deployed" is misleading, especially as it pertains to suicides and any correlation to the Iraq/Afghan wars.
Seemingly, as the media portrays it, being deployed carries the same weight as actually seeing combat.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Hundreds of thousands of troops are deployed in support of the wars across many different countries, most of them not seeing one ounce of actual combat.
So that lends the question...why would being deployed contribute to the increase in suicides? I haven't personally studied the phenomenon, but the only reasonable (I use that term lightly) scenario that seems plausible to me are suicides by those who witness horrendous events during true combat operations.
Otherwise, I don't see how being deployed in and of itself is a reason for suicide. There has to be other reasons.
There is a lot of PTSD within out troops too and these go hand in hand with suicide and domestic violence. Our troops don't have as much support as one thinks and as they have had in the past. During the campaign season they were vilified and not supported because it fit the democrat agenda and that is shameful.
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Old 11-02-2011, 10:34 PM
 
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Army Colonel Antonio Monaco has discovered something that is reducing suicides and even healing, yes, some claim true healing of PTSD, with the colonel's free gift given from his 501c at www.patriotoutreach.org !

It's growing by grass roots word-of-mouth, and finally folks from within the military ranks are speaking out about it. Dig these quotes...


Army Chaplain
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This is a wonderful resource!
Thank you," -T.P., Addiction Therapist (VA Clinic)


Father Loses Son in Iraq, Joins Marines
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My thanks to the Lord and staff. I have been busy at the Mass Military Reservation on-base. Units from all over New England come here. May I request 50 more CD's? One veteran has commented 'thanks for looking out for us!" -Respectfully, B. C., U.S. Air Force


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Navy Vet, Vietnam
"Amazingly, it (the Exercise) keeps showing and reaping benefits. I've never been more patient and alive. The secret is in the watchful observance without struggle." - L. Brown U.S. Navy, Gulf of Tonkin, Vietnam


Iraq Warrior
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:15 PM
 
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Thanks for posting the link, Sunnysee. I tried the Exercise a couple of years ago, and was amazed at its effect on my longtime PTSD symptoms.

I would urge anyone who needs help in coping with severe emotional trauma to try it. Seriously.

--- Yeledaf, Vietnam combat vet
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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I dunno. I'm conflicted. Our troops are better equipped and better supported than any other army in the history of the world. Further, the term "deployed" is misleading, especially as it pertains to suicides and any correlation to the Iraq/Afghan wars. Seemingly, as the media portrays it, being deployed carries the same weight as actually seeing combat. This couldn't be further from the truth. Hundreds of thousands of troops are deployed in support of the wars across many different countries, most of them not seeing one ounce of actual combat. So that lends the question...why would being deployed contribute to the increase in suicides? I haven't personally studied the phenomenon, but the only reasonable (I use that term lightly) scenario that seems plausible to me are suicides by those who witness horrendous events during true combat operations. Otherwise, I don't see how being deployed in and of itself is a reason for suicide. There has to be other reasons.
There is. It is called guilt, and it makes sense you would not understand this as you have none. But alot of veterans feel guilt for the deaths and destruction wrought by U.S. occupations/invasions, and this can manifest itself as PTSD. In more extreme cases, it can lead to suicide.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Genrally, in our society, to talk about suicide is a taboo. For that reason, anything to do with suicide receives little attention. Not many people care about suicide among civilians or the military. A sad commentary on our society.

I agree but the suicide rates seem to increasing for all groups, albeit at varying rates.

It needs to be discussed though....our society seems indifferent to the issue and many people instead of trying to help ameliorate the problem; simply add to it by calling these people "weak minded" and "unbalanced" thereby making them feel superior and justifying their lack of empathy for others.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:38 PM
 
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There is a lot of PTSD within out troops too and these go hand in hand with suicide and domestic violence. Our troops don't have as much support as one thinks and as they have had in the past. During the campaign season they were vilified and not supported because it fit the democrat agenda and that is shameful.
DO WE have to make EVERYTHING a political issue...GEEZ....wasn't it Republicans who just booed a soldier??????

Making your ridiculous point MOOT!

CAN WE PLEASE stay on topic!
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