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Old 09-01-2012, 09:39 PM
 
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Prisons have become the housing for the mentally ill. There is a correlation between the amount of money spent on treatment facilities for the mentally ill and the number of mentally ill in prison. NOrth Dakota in 2010 was the best with an even distribution. Arizona and Nevada were the worst with 10 times as many mentally ill people in prison than in hospitals.

This is very troubling. Not only is inhumane, but it does not seem very cost effective. I guess in politics it is more politically desirable to spend more money on prisons than hospitals for the mentally ill.

More Mentally Ill Persons Are in Jails and Prisons Than Hospitals | PSJ
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:16 PM
 
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So you would rather have dangerous mentally ill individuals wandering the streets and maybe into your home to kill you and your family?
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:44 PM
 
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One has to remember the legal verus the medical defintion of what constitute a defense of insanity is. Lots of people walking around with mental problems taking medication we never even notice.Mental illness;especailly with what is called mental illness how days;isn't a defense to prosecution.
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:53 PM
 
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Prisons have become the housing for the mentally ill. There is a correlation between the amount of money spent on treatment facilities for the mentally ill and the number of mentally ill in prison. NOrth Dakota in 2010 was the best with an even distribution. Arizona and Nevada were the worst with 10 times as many mentally ill people in prison than in hospitals.

This is very troubling. Not only is inhumane, but it does not seem very cost effective. I guess in politics it is more politically desirable to spend more money on prisons than hospitals for the mentally ill.

More Mentally Ill Persons Are in Jails and Prisons Than Hospitals | PSJ
Have you watched Lockup and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest? I think prison has hospitals beat.
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:55 PM
 
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So you would rather have dangerous mentally ill individuals wandering the streets and maybe into your home to kill you and your family?
Absolutely not. I would rather have them in a mental institution. You are also assuming that all the mentally ill people in prison are dangerous. There are more ways to get into prison than violent crimes. However, if they are dangerous and mentally ill you can keep them in a mental institution. If a person is both mentally ill and have been sent to prison, when their sentence is up they are free to threaten society again.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:36 PM
 
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Absolutely not. I would rather have them in a mental institution. You are also assuming that all the mentally ill people in prison are dangerous. There are more ways to get into prison than violent crimes. However, if they are dangerous and mentally ill you can keep them in a mental institution. If a person is both mentally ill and have been sent to prison, when their sentence is up they are free to threaten society again.
You unfairly stigmatize the mentally ill. Most mentally ill people are not violent criminals, and why should they be locked up? Many mentally ill can even hold down jobs, live productive lives. It's wrong to stereotype them as all dangerous and insist that we need to lock them all up and throw away the key -- "just in case".

How would you like to be locked up in a mental institution? And think back to how it was -- someone with Alzheimers back then would be hauled off to the funny farm to live out their days -- and that had to be terrifying. Who decides who is too eccentric or talks to himself too much and needs to be locked away? They used to lock up homosexuals too because that was also considered a mental illness.

Someone like the Aurora theater shooter is dangerous and needs to be kept in prison.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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You unfairly stigmatize the mentally ill. Most mentally ill people are not violent criminals, and why should they be locked up? Many mentally ill can even hold down jobs, live productive lives. It's wrong to stereotype them as all dangerous and insist that we need to lock them all up and throw away the key -- "just in case".

How would you like to be locked up in a mental institution? And think back to how it was -- someone with Alzheimers back then would be hauled off to the funny farm to live out their days -- and that had to be terrifying. Who decides who is too eccentric or talks to himself too much and needs to be locked away? They used to lock up homosexuals too because that was also considered a mental illness.

Someone like the Aurora theater shooter is dangerous and needs to be kept in prison.
Jump to conclusions much? I never said that all mentally ill should be locked up. I was making the point that all mentally ill people should not be in prison. A lot of them should instead be in mental institutions.
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Old 09-01-2012, 11:45 PM
 
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I think most of our leadership is mentally ill!
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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Jump to conclusions much? I never said that all mentally ill should be locked up. I was making the point that all mentally ill people should not be in prison. A lot of them should instead be in mental institutions.
Would you like to be locked up in a mental institution? And if you were locked up in a mental institution, maybe because you were caught talking to yourself, would you like to be surrounded by axe murderers and rapists?

The criminally insane belong in prison like other violent criminals. Harmless looney-tune types who never harmed anyone shouldn't be locked up just because someone is freaked out by them.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:07 AM
 
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Would you like to be locked up in a mental institution? And if you were locked up in a mental institution, maybe because you were caught talking to yourself, would you like to be surrounded by axe murderers and rapists?

The criminally insane belong in prison like other violent criminals. Harmless looney-tune types who never harmed anyone shouldn't be locked up just because someone is freaked out by them.
Those who need mental health treatment should have access to it. Prison is ill suited to provide it and offers nothing for those that have served their time and are back on the street. Mental Hospitals are not all long term treatment centers. Most who go there go there to have their medications stabilized or to be put on medication. These facilities have been defunded so the mentally ill have no where to go for treatment...even outpatient treatment.
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