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Old 09-22-2012, 02:20 AM
 
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I got to page two and I have had enough! I cannot BELIEVE how foolish you Obama fans are! Oh my God! Just read it for yourself! Is Computer World a "right wing" magazine? Is the bill itself a "right wing" conspiracy? This is serious business, folks!

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"The continued bickering in Congress may soon prompt the President to issue an executive order to protect critical infrastructure networks, White House Homeland Security adviser John Brennan is quoted as saying in the Reuters report. "I mean if the Congress is not going to act ... then the president wants to make sure that we are doing everything possible," Brennan is reported to have said. Brennan did not elaborate on the timing of such a move, nor what the contents of such an executive order would be. But in remarks to the Council of Foreign Relations on Wednesday, Brennan made it clear that the White House is actively discussing such a measure. "One of the things that we need to do in the executive branch is to see what we can do to maybe put additional guidelines and policies in place under executive branch authority," he said per the report."

"The legislation is mostly about increasing government involvement in commercial security, which leads to more complexity and cost - not higher levels of security," he (John Pescatore, an analyst atGartner) said. "Opponents, many of whom are Republicans, say the bill is too regulatory in its approach and vests the Department of Homeland Security with too much authority." (Many
are Republicans but that means some are Democrats. In a bi-partisan decision they do not want to pass this bill.

White House exploring executive order to secure critical networks - Computerworld
The bill: Full Text of S. 2105: Cybersecurity Act of 2012 - GovTrack.us

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(d) Communications and System Traffic-
(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, in carrying out the responsibilities under paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection (b), if the Secretary makes a certification described in paragraph (2), the Secretary may acquire, intercept, retain, use, and disclose communications and other system traffic that are transiting to or from or stored on agency information systems and deploy countermeasures with regard to the communications and system traffic.

(2) COUNTERMEASURE- The term ‘countermeasure’ means automated or manual actions with defensive intent to modify or block data packets associated with electronic or wire communications, internet traffic, program code, or other system traffic transiting to or from or stored on an information system for the purpose of protecting the information system from cybersecurity threats, conducted on an information system owned or operated by or on behalf of the party to be protected or operated by a private entity acting as a provider of electronic communication services, remote computing services, or cybersecurity services to the party to be protected.
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Old 09-22-2012, 02:32 AM
 
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I got to page two and I have had enough! I cannot BELIEVE how foolish you Obama fans are! Oh my God! Just read it for yourself! Is Computer World a "right wing" magazine? Is the bill itself a "right wing" conspiracy? This is serious business, folks!

Excerpts:
"The continued bickering in Congress may soon prompt the President to issue an executive order to protect critical infrastructure networks, White House Homeland Security adviser John Brennan is quoted as saying in the Reuters report. "I mean if the Congress is not going to act ... then the president wants to make sure that we are doing everything possible," Brennan is reported to have said. Brennan did not elaborate on the timing of such a move, nor what the contents of such an executive order would be. But in remarks to the Council of Foreign Relations on Wednesday, Brennan made it clear that the White House is actively discussing such a measure. "One of the things that we need to do in the executive branch is to see what we can do to maybe put additional guidelines and policies in place under executive branch authority," he said per the report."

"The legislation is mostly about increasing government involvement in commercial security, which leads to more complexity and cost - not higher levels of security," he (John Pescatore, an analyst atGartner) said. "Opponents, many of whom are Republicans, say the bill is too regulatory in its approach and vests the Department of Homeland Security with too much authority." (Many
are Republicans but that means some are Democrats. In a bi-partisan decision they do not want to pass this bill.

White House exploring executive order to secure critical networks - Computerworld
The bill: Full Text of S. 2105: Cybersecurity Act of 2012 - GovTrack.us

Excerpts:
(d) Communications and System Traffic-
(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, in carrying out the responsibilities under paragraphs (3) and (4) of subsection (b), if the Secretary makes a certification described in paragraph (2), the Secretary may acquire, intercept, retain, use, and disclose communications and other system traffic that are transiting to or from or stored on agency information systems and deploy countermeasures with regard to the communications and system traffic.

(2) COUNTERMEASURE- The term ‘countermeasure’ means automated or manual actions with defensive intent to modify or block data packets associated with electronic or wire communications, internet traffic, program code, or other system traffic transiting to or from or stored on an information system for the purpose of protecting the information system from cybersecurity threats, conducted on an information system owned or operated by or on behalf of the party to be protected or operated by a private entity acting as a provider of electronic communication services, remote computing services, or cybersecurity services to the party to be protected.
"May prompt" does not mean "Did in fact sign an executive order."

Sorry, dude.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Too far from home.
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Last time I checked even the president cannot legally disobey laws on the books just because he doesn't like them. Department of homeland security also does not legally have the authority to do away with immigration laws. The president has sworn to uphold all the laws of our land and immigration laws are part of those laws he has sworn to uphold; but he decided on his own that he does not like the immigration laws therefore he gave an order not to enforce them. I think this is an impeachable offense.
Obviously sticking a cigar to a WH staffer is a bigger threat to the country and enough reason to impeach a president.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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Where in the Constitution, does it say, the President alone, can take away a Private business?

Service Providers are Private companies.
Actually they aren't. Look at the list. If they are publicly traded, I would bet you can start adding up the stock and you would find the controlling shareholder to be govt.
That is why I said they don't need further control. Power struggles do go on among control freaks all the time, however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhkWueEjewM
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What bothers me is the way the liberals think... never let a crisis go to waste.

If we had extreme inflation of gas and food and people started to look for food with guns, the government could send out their military and gather the guns of the people . They would say it was a safety issue and didn't want people to shoot one another over food but the reality would be to disarm the people and take any power that we had away.

I remember Waco and it was chilling to see this on tv Tanks rolling over the cars and then JaNUT reno put a day on her calendar that it would end . And it did with most of them dead. They went in with guns not through a court.

This is what Reno did and it was no different with taking Elian the boy from Cuba. JaNUT reno could have issued a court order to give over the boy but they had to heavy hand remove the boy with heavy weapons.
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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Breaking News:
DHS announces that it is nearly ready with an Eecutive Order giving authority to POTUS to shut down the Internet.

Republicans recently stopped a bill that would give the President such authority. Obama makes good on his promise to bypass Congress.
Um as liberals Al Gore inventing the internet is one of our proudest accomplishments, why would we shut it down?
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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First he will shut down the Internet.
Then he will dissolve the senate and rest control firmly in the hands of regional governors.
Then he will build an enormous battle station which will look suspiciously like the AT&T logo.
And fear, fear of this battle station will keep the local systems in line.
Nice Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope reference but the situation we face in The United States today is really more akin to the events in the three prequels. Right about now we’re midway through Revenge of the Sith in terms of a timeline.

Here’s a neat little clip that should remind us of how we got in our current predicament in which the institutions we've charged with protecting us are actually taking away our liberties.


Liberty Dies - YouTube
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:26 AM
 
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What bothers me is the way the liberals think... never let a crisis go to waste.

If we had extreme inflation of gas and food and people started to look for food with guns, the government could send out their military and gather the guns of the people . They would say it was a safety issue and didn't want people to shoot one another over food but the reality would be to disarm the people and take any power that we had away.

I remember Waco and it was chilling to see this on tv Tanks rolling over the cars and then JaNUT reno put a day on her calendar that it would end . And it did with most of them dead. They went in with guns not through a court.

This is what Reno did and it was no different with taking Elian the boy from Cuba. JaNUT reno could have issued a court order to give over the boy but they had to heavy hand remove the boy with heavy weapons.
A day of imfamy and Blood of those in that combine all over Clinton's wicked hands, as well as his tool/fool Reno.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:39 AM
 
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No rest for the right-wing kooks of the world, I see.
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:36 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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No, they don't. Not only is the original post and the subsequent "source" so blatantly dis-informative, the actual piece, only bothered to be found on the Right-Wing "news" of Daily Caller, still points out that they have no idea what is actually in the order, and that it's only being written.
You probably never did any homework in school ... if you even went to school, which appears doubtful.
It is the hallmark of all Marxist dictatorships to control the flow of information. In the name of security the Obama regime is assigning itself control over the flow of information. This should frighten every American, especially considering his regime is repeating the suggestion that offending Islam is not freedom of speech, and is become a national security issue. Therefore – under that pretext, Obama will justify his dictatorial action.
Obama To Give Himself Sweeping Power To Control Internet Content | Sword At-The-Ready

Precisely which clause in the Constitution grants to the president specifically or the executive branch (of which DHS is a part) generally authority to exercise any sort of oversight of such matters was not cited by Secretary Napolitano.
Naturally, a document written 225 years ago would not include a reference to cybersecurity, but the principles of enumerated powers and limited government apply to any program or project of the federal government. According to the contract that created the three branches of the federal government, none of those departments may do anything unless specifically granted that authority in the Constitution.
This is a principle of constitutional interpretation often overlooked. Those promoting a larger government with increasing influence on the lives of private citizens commonly defend government growth by insisting that “nothing in the Constitution forbids us from doing” whatever federal program they are advocating.
Such a theory is contrary to that held by the Founders. As James Madison explained in The Federalist, No. 45:
The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
As with so many of her ilk, Napolitano will not allow something as “irrelevant” as the Constitution to stand in the way of our Republic’s slouch into autocracy
Napolitano Says Cybersecurity Executive Order Almost Ready

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