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The NAACP knows that in order to level the playing field that you have to lower the test scores, otherwise these schools would be all white & Asian. They would all come from the most wealthiest families in NYC.
If one person can do it, others can too. It's people who make up their mind that they can't even though they have the ability to do so who lose out. Of course not every one is going to qualify to go to an elite school. But don't say that just become someone is poor that they can't. These success stories as you put it showed they really, really wanted to succeed, despite their obstacles. I would rather pay for thousands of kids who really wanted to get into these schools, who worked hard, got good grades, but couldn't afford to go.
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Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv
I would argue that if you truly think 4 success stories amongst millions of impoverished=groups should do nothing, you don't know what you are talking about either.
What I suggest is to get rid of the test or to lower the standard to let some of these kids into these programs. It'll do them some good to see how some other students do it. These kids have the intelligence they just need to know how to apply it correctly. This is what the NAACP is doing. They know that a standardized test is not "standard" since everyone doesn't live the same.
Do you think a Hispanic or Black single parent will know about a 2 year prep program in NYC? Come on.
Should we do the same for sports? Fat kids are slow so we give them a headstart. If they cross the line first they are the winner?
Regardless of your parents income...all the prep in the world won't help if you are not of above average ability.
You can't "buy" smartness.
I disagree as there are studies that show that parents who spend more time with kids do better in school; if it was as you said then no time with parents would matter, right?
I disagree as there are studies that show that parents who spend more time with kids do better in school; if it was as you said then no time with parents would matter, right?
I was replying to a poster that said the poor kids couldn't afford the expensive prep class for this test.
The prep class is not what is getting them into these elite schools; they are already above average ability.
I was replying to a poster that said the poor kids couldn't afford the expensive prep class for this test.
The prep class is not what is getting them into these elite schools; they are already above average ability.
I see, though your message makes it sound like no matter how much prep poor kids receive they'll never achieve the same level of intelligence.
Wholly agree. If the NAACP sought scholarships for young people who qualified academically to get into the school, but couldn't afford to, they would have hundreds being sponsored to go. Instead they want to lower the bar. Wrong approach.
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I was replying to a poster that said the poor kids couldn't afford the expensive prep class for this test.
The prep class is not what is getting them into these elite schools; they are already above average ability.
You can't even think for yourself. You have to link to a student run high school newspaper.
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Among the 1.1 million students attending New York City public schools, 40 percent are Hispanic, 31 percent are black, 14 percent are Caucasian and 14 percent are Asian. However, these statistics are not mirrored at Stuyvesant. Of 3,247 students, 67.36 percent are Asian, 27.43 percent are Caucasian, 3.05 percent are Hispanic and 1.97 percent are black.
False premise.
Why should the statistics be mirrored?
We see stupidity like this all the time. As former cop, I pay attention to cop things and there is this endless stupidity about not enough Black men in law enforcement. The "obvious" conclusion is what? Well, racial discrimination, right?
But for the last 20 years, what has every survey and every study ever conducted repeatedly proven time and time and time again?
Black men don't want to be in law enforcement or corrections.
Black men want to be doctors, psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, family counseling, education counseling, substance abuse counseling, addiction therapists, intervention specialists, parole and probation officers, and community supporters.
What would you call that? I don't know, looks like "healing arts" to me.
I suppose many Black men look around and ask themselves, How can I make an impact? How can I make a difference? And the answer to those questions seems to be getting into the "healing arts" and helping others.
But you and your ilk don't give a damn about that. All you care about is the numbers looking pretty, and lining up nicely in columns. So you'll screw everybody over and waste people's lives and lots of money with your stupidity, just so you feel good, and Black men be damned, if you have to force them at gun-point to be police officers just so some people can feel good, then so help you god that's what you'll do, right?
Brilliant.
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Again, answer this question. If students have access to free tutoring, why do certain parents shell out thousands of dollars to get desired tutoring for their children?
If Napoleon had M1A2 Abrahms tanks at the Battle of Waterloo....
Your question is stupid. If parents can buy gym shoes for $18 for their kids, then why do they buy $180 Nike shoes?
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Private tutors offer better services and outcomes.
You can back that claim up with data. After all, you are the "knowledge dude."
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I said they don't have access to the top preparatory programs.
Why would they? It's based on merit, not the roll of the dice.
Maybe you should adopt the Euro-Education system, especially since you're all hot and heavy for the Euro-Health system.
If only 5% of Americans had college degrees you can have a helluva lot more to whine about.
Holding the Red Star proudly high in hand...
Mircea
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The founding fathers warned about this.
You can't have different groups of people with different abilities competing for scarce resources without inequality. If you throw a group of people with an average IQ of 85 into a school whose curriculum is designed for a group with an average IQ of 100, many of those in the 85 IQ group will become frustrated and will not be able to compete.
Yes, they did. I wonder why the Europeans do it differently....
Scarcely...
Mircea
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If you choose to be a victim, then you will never realize your full potential in life. We each have a chance to empower our own lives and our children to reach their fullest potential. But you can't do that when you whine and ask them to dumb down the test.
So in your opinion " brown & black need not apply?"
Uh; many Asians are def "brown" in color like Indians and Pakistan people and many "Hispanics" have white skin. If talking about Black people: their dark skin color don't hold back the ones from Africa who go to school in the US. THose Blacks and "browns" apply and have the rep for doing well so why the NAACP and La Raza crowds are so down and out?
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