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Old 12-04-2012, 06:30 PM
 
Location: FL
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poor Zimmermann! What a horrible bloody face! Notice they haven't released a picture of Trayvon's dead corpse with a bullet through his chest though!
Exactly! They seem to forget that he (Zimmerman) didn't even need doctor care for his poor bloody body. The EMT cleaned him up and off he went.

 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:33 PM
 
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Lack of guilt? Under our judicial system it is supposed to be "Innocent until proven guilty".
What you're referring to is called Presumption of Innocence in the law. It applies to legal procedures in the case and at the trial. It means that the state has to prove the case and that the defendant does not have to put on any evidence at all, if they don't want to, because they are presumed innocent.

Public opinion is not restricted by a presumption of innocence. Public opinion does not determine the outcome of a case; for example, Casey Anthony.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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The big problem with that is we only have zimmerman's account of what happened. That is what everyone has been reading. OF COURSE he's not going to say he accosted martin.
That is why we have "trials". In recent years all too many people have been convicted in the court of public opinion well before they go to trial. That is exactly what is happening here. Zimmerman will recieve his day in court.. People need to stop convicting him before then..
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:40 PM
 
Location: FL
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I'd bust someone's nose if they kept following and harassing me late at night. Zimmerman was following him, remember that! The police dispatcher told him to stop, but he continued. SO WHO WAS THE AGGRESSOR? If some guy was following me, threatening me, I'd beat the **** out of him too. This is the case of a paranoid idiot who thinks he is a police officer, carrying a gun late at night, doing patrols. Who the **** does he think he is? Join the police force if you want that kind of power.
The police force didn't want him.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:42 PM
 
Location: FL
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Zimmerman had a constitutional right to carry a gun at any time, even late at night. And neighborhood watches do require patrol.
He wasn't on duty.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:44 PM
 
Location: FL
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A command from a 911 dispatcher is not a lawful command. He could ignore it and by doing so he violated no law. A lawful action cannot be the basis of a murder charge.
but if he did obey it then we wouldn't be having this discussion and the kid would still be alive. He knew the cops were on the way.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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I'm getting a little tired of this claim. Zimmerman knew that there had been burglaries in his neighborhood. It was raining when Zimmerman called the police and reported that someone he did not know was cutting between houses in the rain in his development, and Zimmerman reported it looked like the person was on drugs. There were burglaries in the neighborhood. Martin did not live there, so Zimmerman would not have recognized him. It was raining and Martin did have drugs in his system and was known to use drugs. Although Martin might not have been engaged in criminal activity at the time, there was certainly enough reason for Zimmerman to investigate further.
I'm quite weary with having to reiterate what facts we know to people who choose the blog or site that spreads blatant falsehoods and photo=shopped pictures that support what they seem to need to believe. Why was it necessary for Zimmerman to pursue Martin with a gun, despite NWA guidelines discouraging that, and dispatch telling him to wait for the police to arrive? There had been some burglaries in the community but apparently not enough to draw a number of volunteers, as Zimmerman was the only (unofficial) one. IIRC, there are over 200 units in the community: Do you believe that Zimmerman knew every resident? Did people need to take their visitors to meet Zimmerman so he'd recognize them? Are you seriously intimating that one is only allowed to walk where everyone knows them? What Zimmerman needed to do was keep an eye on Martin to see where he went, then let LE know where he was so that he could relay that info. Instead, he chose to pursue Martin from the road to an area between the rows of townhouses and be close enough for Martin's friend on the phone to hear Martin ask Zimmerman why he was following him. Again, Martin had trace amounts of THC in his system, while Martin was on several mood-altering drugs. We'll never know what he'd taken or had to drink because the Sanford P.D. tested the dead kid, not the living liar. Interesting that Det. Perino didn't
believe Zimmerman that night but was over-ruled, and has now hired an attorney. For the 1,000th time, neighborhood watch volunteers WATCH and REPORT, not PURSUE and KILL. Zimmerman provoked whatever followed, and is responsible for the unnecessary death of another human being. It's so coldly easy for people to trivialize or even celebrate the death of Trayvon Martin.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Looks like you've confused yourself. Typical.





Sparky.

lol.

YCFS
The 911 dispatcher is a trained member of the public safety system and told him not to go after Martin. You're splitting mighty fine hairs there bucko.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Clearly you do not understand the law. Can you determine how many times someone must pummel you in the head and slam the back of your head into ground before you are justifiable in FEARING FOR YOUR LIFE.... Can you? Honestly , you tell me?

I would hate to have someone on a jury which such a strict interpretation of an attack.
Can you determine he Martin) wasn't acting in self defense? Zimmerman's injuries hardly look like someone being "beaten to death".

Again, had Zimmerman not tried to be all Billy Badass none of this would have happened.
 
Old 12-04-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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That is why we have "trials". In recent years all too many people have been convicted in the court of public opinion well before they go to trial. That is exactly what is happening here. Zimmerman will recieve his day in court.. People need to stop convicting him before then..
In this particular trial, Zimmerman is the only witness to what happened. Therefore Zimmerman is either going to have to take the stand and convince the jury he is telling the truth (which allows the state to cross examine him and impeach him with the many lies he has told), or he has to not testify and depend on his attorney to make such a spectacular and convincing closing argument that the jury will decide that the state's evidence is not convincing and acquit him.

As for people being "convicted" in the court of public opinion well before they go to trial, there's always Casey Anthony. IMO, it's really the evidence presented in the courtroom which controls.
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