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View Poll Results: Are you keen on the idea of the United States becoming a second republic?
Absolutely 7 13.73%
Yes 3 5.88%
Maybe 11 21.57%
No 10 19.61%
Heck No 31 60.78%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 51. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-28-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Austin
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For those who don't know, that means having the entire constitution rewritten. It's been 20 years since the last amendment was passed. For any to be ratified, they need 2/3 compromise from Congress and 3/4 approval by all 50 states. In our polarized nation, I can't foresee that happening.

Germany is now a fourth republic. They had their first constitution written after they were no longer Prussia. Their constitution was rewritten after World War I, rewritten again after World War II, and rewritten yet again after the Berlin Wall fell thereby making them a fourth republic.

Japan and Italy also had to rewrite their constitutions after World War II. There are even five republics like France and a few other countries. Greece is a third republic, but don't be surprised if they become a fourth republic.

Do you think now is a good time that the United States rewrote its constitution to a more modernized version and became a second republic? Or do you share the same mentality as many Libertarians and conspiracy theorists with the police state mentality that think we should have the same system we had back in 1787?
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Police state mentality? You should go read the patriot act, and read up on the actions of the EPA & IRS over the last few years then get back to me.

By the way the system we had in 1787 is nothing like the system we have today, hell the founding fathers must be spinning in their graves with what the federal government has become.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Police state mentality? You should go read the patriot act, and read up on the actions of the EPA & IRS over the last few years then get back to me.

By the way the system we had in 1787 is nothing like the system we have today, hell the founding fathers must be spinning in their graves with what the federal government has become.
I have read the Patriot Act. Also, the IRS and EPA are necessary entities. You cannot have limited government in a country with 315 million and counting people; especially when that same nation is the breadbasket of the global economy. That's just not feasible. It may sound sexy on paper, but it's impractical in reality. Not everything the government does is one big giant conspiracy.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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I have read the Patriot Act. Also, the IRS and EPA are necessary entities. You cannot have limited government in a country with 315 million and counting people; especially when that same nation is the breadbasket of the global economy. That's just not feasible. It may sound sexy on paper, but it's impractical in reality. Not everything the government does is one big giant conspiracy.
did I say it was one big conspiracy? So do you think flying drones over farms to spy on farmers is necessary? What about the government forcing us all to buy products from private companies?
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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By the way the system we had in 1787 is nothing like the system we have today, hell the founding fathers must be spinning in their graves with what the federal government has become.
The question is not about specific policies; don't try to hijack the conversation to make it about that - it's about the structure of the government, not about policies.

The structure of current government today is exactly what one should expect based on the Constitution. It encourages a two party system.

We have more direct elections today, but in some cases that is still irrelevant or misleading, as they are not truly direct, e.g., 2000 presidential election in which Gore won the popular vote but lost because of the electoral college - just as the authors of the Constitution intended.

They intended it to be that way, of course, because slavery was the major issue of the day - and the electoral system and was specifically designed to maintain balance between free and slave states, e.g., 3/5 Compromise, Electoral College, Missouri Compromise, Bleeding Kansas, etc.

Like it or not African slavery was the major factor for design of our democratic system, and the Founders' "timeless wisdom" is often just pragmatic compromise to maintain the union given the tension of slavery. It's time for an update.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Austin
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did I say it was one big conspiracy? So do you think flying drones over farms to spy on farmers is necessary? What about the government forcing us all to buy products from private companies?
Government isn't making anybody buy products from private companies, so just by saying that your statement contradicts itself.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Austin
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The question is not about specific policies; don't try to hijack the conversation to make it about that - it's about the structure of the government, not about policies.

The structure of current government today is exactly what one should expect based on the Constitution. It encourages a two party system.

We have more direct elections today, but in some cases that is still irrelevant or misleading, as they are not truly direct, e.g., 2000 presidential election in which Gore won the popular vote but lost because of the electoral college - just as the authors of the Constitution intended.

They intended it to be that way, of course, because slavery was the major issue of the day - and the electoral system and was specifically designed to maintain balance between free and slave states, e.g., 3/5 Compromise, Electoral College, Missouri Compromise, Bleeding Kansas, etc.

Like it or not African slavery was the major factor for design of our democratic system, and the Founders' "timeless wisdom" is often just pragmatic compromise to maintain the union given the tension of slavery. It's time for an update.
Thank you! I think they should a new system set up more like a European-style parliament with a three-party government rather than have it be bipartisan. Part of the reason our nation is so divided is because of partisanship, and politics shouldn't be black-and-white or us vs. them. That's very linear thinking.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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did I say it was one big conspiracy? So do you think flying drones over farms to spy on farmers is necessary? What about the government forcing us all to buy products from private companies?
No drones. See what happens when you watch FOX?

Reining in the rumors about EPA ‘drones’ - The Washington Post
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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Government isn't making anybody buy products from private companies, so just by saying that your statement contradicts itself.

Really they are forcing the American population to buy health insurance from private companies, if you do not you pay a fine. So how is that not forcing the public to buy a product by a private company/
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:32 AM
 
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Really they are forcing the American population to buy health insurance from private companies, if you do not you pay a fine. So how is that not forcing the public to buy a product by a private company/
They're making health insurance more affordable for Americans and getting rid of preexisting conditions. That's the part that nobody on the far right seems to see. Would you rather give all the power to corporations and let them govern the country and make us one big plutocracy? That seems to be exactly what the GOP wants.
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