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The key to [Democrats'] strategy is conflating two very different programs: Operation Fast & Furious and a Bush era ATF initiative known as “Operation Wide Receiver.” In the questions from Judiciary Committee Democrats (principally, Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer — there may have been others but, again, I didn’t see the entire hearing), it emerged that Wide Receiver began in 2006, when Alberto Gonzales was the Bush administration attorney general...Wide Receiver actually involved not gun-walking but controlled delivery. Unlike gun-walking, which seems (for good reason) to have been unheard of until Fast & Furious, controlled delivery is a very common law enforcement tactic. Basically, the agents know the bad guys have negotiated a deal to acquire some commodity that is either illegal itself (e.g., heroin, child porn) or illegal for them to have/use (e.g., guns, corporate secrets). The agents allow the transfer to happen under circumstances where they are in control — i.e., they are on the scene conducting surveillance of the transfer, and sometimes even participating undercover in the transfer. As soon as the transfer takes place, they can descend on the suspects, make arrests, and seize the commodity in question — all of which makes for powerful evidence of guilt. Senator Schumer’s drawing of an equivalence between “tracing” in a controlled-delivery situation and “tracing” in Fast & Furious is laughable. In a controlled delivery firearms case, guns are traced in the sense that agents closely and physically follow them — they don’t just note the serial numbers or other identifying markers. The agents are thus able to trace the precise path of the guns from, say, American dealers to straw purchasers to Mexican buyers.
Another crucial distinction: The Bush-era gun tracing program known as "Wide Receiver" was executed in concert with the Mexican government, which was fully involved at every step of the process. "Fast & Furious" was conceived and launched without the knowledge of the Mexican government -- and its citizens have paid a very dear price as a result.
Wikipedia gives an overview of an issue. They also give links. They are far more credible than "Town Hall".
That's different, that's different, that's different. How many times can you RWs say that? It's always "different" when your side is doing the exact same thing!
Wikipedia gives an overview of an issue. They also give links. They are far more credible than "Town Hall".
Thanks to Speleothem..... White House Falsely Blames Bush-Era Wide Receiver For Fast And Furious - Investors.com
Like the administration he serves, Carney was perhaps too focused on the party line that gun-walking into Mexico was something begun under President George W. Bush and Fast and Furious was merely an extension of this policy.
Dubbed "Operation Wide Receiver," the Bush-era operation was run out of Tucson between 2006 and 2007, ending before Bush left office and before Fast and Furious began under Obama in 2009. The differences between it and Fast and Furious are vast, starting with the fact that Wide Receiver produced no dead bodies.
Operation Wide Receiver used the common law enforcement tactic of "controlled delivery" in which the illegal sales of weapons were allowed to take place, the movements of the weapons were closely monitored and the end purchasers were then apprehended. It involved gun-tracing, not gun-walking.
Under the "controlled delivery" of Wide Receiver, agents didn't just write down the serial numbers and let the guns disappear as in Fast and Furious. They closely and physically followed the guns from American dealers to straw purchasers to Mexican buyers.
Most importantly, Wide Receiver was run in close cooperation with Mexican authorities, who were kept in the dark on Fast and Furious.
In contrast ATF agents involved in Fast and Furious have testified that they were ordered not to track the weapons and in cases where interdiction was possible they were ordered to stand down and actually watch the weapons walk.
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That's different, that's different, that's different. How many times can you RWs say that? It's always "different" when your side is doing the exact same thing!
The right wasn't doing the exact same thing........although you do have yourself convinced of it.
Wikipedia gives an overview of an issue. They also give links. They are far more credible than "Town Hall".
That's different, that's different, that's different. How many times can you RWs say that? It's always "different" when your side is doing the exact same thing!
I followed your link and listened to the audio, and the transcript is not complete, it should read:
KROFT: Mr. President, this morning you went out of your way to avoid the use of the word terrorism in connection with the Libya attack,...
OBAMA: Right.
KROFT: ... do you believe that this was a terrorism attack?
OBAMA: Well it’s too early to tell exactly how this came about, what group was involved, but obviously it was an attack on Americans. And we are going to be working with the Libyan government to make sure that we bring these folks to justice, one way or the other.
0bama acknowledged the fact that he did not call it a terrorist attack. It might surprise democrats, but I think the president made the right call here. He was right to reserve making a public statement as to whether is was a terrorist attack, because I doubt he had enough face time with his intel chiefs to make an affirmative statement. But then he blew all of that out of the water by letting all his people make affirmative statements by blaming the movie.
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