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I have to tell you, reading all of this is downright painful. I hate being reminded that so many on the right side of the aisle - my side, my team, my homies! - can be just as irrrational, incoherent, and incapable of following a simple argument as the looniest of the loony left. Perhaps Obama is a fitting punishment.
Think I'll go find some eggnog to cry in. Cheers.
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There's nothing wrong in principle with government taxing the rich to help the poor. There, I said it. And I'm really getting sick and tired of Republicans making "redistribution of wealth" the cornerstone of their opposition to Obama and the Democrats.
True, government taxes too much and spends too much, no question - but the problem is one of degree and not of kind. It's also a problem of the federal government usurping the role of churches, charities, and state/local governments much closer to the people in need. These distinctions are important. When you rail against "redistribution of wealth" as though it's something intrinsically evil, you just sound like selfish, greedy idiots.
Great! I've been unemployed for two years and can't find work. I'm running out of deferrments on my Parent Plus loans for my kid's college education. Will you please take that debt off my hands?
It lays out the reasons why the Constitution is being written and ratified into law. And that's all it does. It contains no commands, no declarative sentences, no language that obligates Americans to do anything at all. In other words, the Preamble makes no law whatsoever.
Anything else I can help you with, on the Constitution and its parts?
Sure, you can help a lot by getting an understanding of the Constitution. You do get that Preamble is essentially a gist. What you don't get is that US Constitution was never meant to be absolute with everything precisely identified and defined. Heck, not even rights could be enumerated.
It is a good thing US Constitution didn't mention that all roads to post offices be built with only two lanes. Y'all would stick to that too and be a nuisance even on that issue.
heh heh...surely you joke. The wealth we are talking about is hardly wealth earned by a wage.
As I said, you do not have a clue what you are talking about. If that were the case then Obama would be more specific about the tax he wants to raise but instead he throws everyone in including the people who physically work for their money.
Like I said, if you never owned a business, if you are irresponsible with your own finances, why should you have a say... your opinions means nothing because you don't have a clue to the differences.
...What more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow citizens--a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another...
More importantly, that is the foundation of our government.
Question: Explain the part in bold. What is implied by "injuring one another".
These distinctions are indeed important, but I'm afraid lost on almost everyone who will comment here.
And yes, at the moment much of the GOP does sound like selfish greedy idiots. Someone really ought to be taking this point seriously, amidst all the navel-gazing, circular shooting-party recriminations. Romney didn't lose only because he isn't Hispanic or brown-skinned.
Your greed allows you to justify using legal means to steal from others. If you didnt earn it and it isn't yours and you take it, then it is YOU who are greedy.
I try not to be baited into too much personal disclosure around here, but I have started two businesses (one successful and one failed), own three homes, and am as qualified as anyone to have an opinion.
Nice to see that attacking the messenger while ignoring the message isn't just for liberals anymore.
sure you do. So we are supposed to let liberals attack us and keep our mouths shut. Thanks for telling me the new rules.
If all of the 'wealth' in this country were evenly distributed among all the people, how long do you think it would take for it to get back where it started? The 'wealthy' in this country are already paying over 70% of all income taxes, even though the number$ of those earning over $250K is about 5-percent. Ironically, the 'wealthy' will always be able to afford to find the 'loopholes' faster than those who seek a more socialistic form of government can close them.
The real issue we need to be working on is finding the will to STOP SPENDING MORE THAN TAXES PRODUCE! Do you really believe that our illustrious legislators will not increase spending to match or exceed any possible amount of increased taxes?
I gave you an example: the federal SNAP program. That's an example of the federal government doing something more effectively accomplished at a level that is closer to those in need.
And that prevents private charities from doing their job. A charity ceases to be one, if it advances its agenda and makes excuses like you've presented.
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I don't know, you tell me. You obviously believe in the moral goodness of giving to the poor. Where does that come from? Did you come up with the idea on your own, or did you receive it as part of some larger moral tradition? Is it connected to anything else you believe, such as the love of neighbor in general, or does it just stand there all by itself?
From being a human being, ability to put self in others' shoes.
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The Church and all Christian organizations are full of sinners who don't live up to their faith. I don't live up to mine either. We all reek of hypocrisy. But that doesn't prove anything besides the fact that the moral precepts of Christianity are difficult.
They aren't really difficult. They aren't convenient to further political and economic agenda.
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Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Since I grew up a Christian, I did use this argument often which is also an answer to your "surprise" above. And as I learned more, as a child, I began to notice the message being universal:
"Consider others as yourself" - Buddha
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