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Old 12-06-2012, 07:33 PM
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If you keep stripping people of their collective bargaining rights, they will have no choice but to vote Democrat. And if you think Obama is a Socialist, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Don't believe me? It's happening already.

Remember how Republicans were going to mop the floor with Obama?
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Our President is against anti-worker legislation as well.

Obama Right-To-Work: President Comes Out Against New Legislation In Michigan

"President Obama has long opposed so-called ‘right to work’ laws and he continues to oppose them now," said White House spokesperson Matt Lehrich. "The President believes our economy is stronger when workers get good wages and good benefits, and he opposes attempts to roll back their rights. Michigan – and its workers' role in the revival of the US automobile industry – is a prime example of how unions have helped build a strong middle class and a strong American economy."

SO glad he and true Americans won the election!

Republicon devotion to evil and hatred of the middle class will not win out in the end.
No one is banning unions. Workers can choose to join unions or not. Evidently many workers don't see the value of them and decline to pay dues. Oh well.

Why do Dems always want to force folks into an action they deem beneficial?
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:37 PM
 
Location: mancos
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I live in a right to work state CO,that map in post 23 is BS by the way CO has always been right to work. I always have made more than my union brother in the NE we are both carpenters.He is out of work and I am working 6 10's yes me not some big union thugs relative you live on your rep here not who you pay or are connected to.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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When I moved to Florida, I had no idea what "Right to Work" meant. I spent most of my working life in a state like Massachusetts where I had a steady job, paid vacation and benefits. If you want to work for low wages, no benefits, where your boss can fire you for any reason then you definitely want to work in a state with a "Right to Work" law.

Just my opinion.
That's not what right to work is about. You're referring to at-will employment which is nationwide. Basically any employee not under a contract can leave their job at will or their employer can terminate them at will with certain exceptions (for example is there is a mass layoff employers must give sufficient notice).

This actually helps our economy stay more dynamic and reduces youth unemployment unlike in Western Europe where hiring and firing is so prohibitive many companies are loath to take on new full time workers.

All Right to Work laws do is simply state that an employee does not have to join a union to work at a company or position that is covered under a union contract. Unions like non Right to Work laws because anyone who works there has to pay union dues. This works well for the unions because they can leverage the revenue into political power and extract more goodies for themselves. Very few benefits actually accrue to the workers.

In places where Right to Work has been instituted union membership has plummeted. If workers saw a real benefit to unions they would continue paying dues.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The Republicons flexing their cheeks again to dump on the middle and working classes and American democracy. Lyin' Snyder.

The people who need a union to keep their job don't deserve their job.
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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No one is banning unions. Workers can choose to join unions or not. Evidently many workers don't see the value of them and decline to pay dues. Oh well.

Why do Dems always want to force folks into an action they deem beneficial?
You have to ask? The Democrats have always been the fascist party. That is why they supported slavery, Jim Crow, Dred Scott, imprisoning American citizens without cause during WW II, they oppose all Civil Rights legislation, support Affirmative Action, gun control, and the Affordable Health Care Act that forces citizens to buy a product they do not want. Are we beginning to see the pattern of fascist tyranny yet?
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Old 12-06-2012, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.

If you keep stripping people of their collective bargaining rights, they will have no choice but to vote Democrat. And if you think Obama is a Socialist, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Don't believe me? It's happening already.

Remember how Republicans were going to mop the floor with Obama?
November 2012 was just the beginning. Rethuglican America is on its way to extinction.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:21 PM
 
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That's not what right to work is about. You're referring to at-will employment which is nationwide. Basically any employee not under a contract can leave their job at will or their employer can terminate them at will with certain exceptions (for example is there is a mass layoff employers must give sufficient notice).

This actually helps our economy stay more dynamic and reduces youth unemployment unlike in Western Europe where hiring and firing is so prohibitive many companies are loath to take on new full time workers.

All Right to Work laws do is simply state that an employee does not have to join a union to work at a company or position that is covered under a union contract. Unions like non Right to Work laws because anyone who works there has to pay union dues. This works well for the unions because they can leverage the revenue into political power and extract more goodies for themselves. Very few benefits actually accrue to the workers.

In places where Right to Work has been instituted union membership has plummeted. If workers saw a real benefit to unions they would continue paying dues.


The unions have no one to blame but themselves.

Using dues to support politicians who oppose the core values of half their members isn't a particularly effective strategy for remaining popular.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:27 PM
 
Location: NJ
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When VW was choosing their site for a US plant, Michigan was the first finalist axed, per the Democratic governor, all she heard them worry about the last visit was the UAW.

There is only one thing needs to get tons of new transplant auto jobs..RTW.
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Old 12-06-2012, 08:33 PM
 
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Care to revise that? Cuz that narrative is HIGHLY unlikely. Especially in the same city? Nah....no chance. Makes no sense.

Try again, because I've NEVER seen that before. Ever.

And if its true, that's only because they wanna keep the union out....which means that you're still benefiting from a union presence across town.
No, I don't care to revise that. It was an employer whose employees were unionized in UFCW local 1445 in Massachusetts. I was a member when I was working my way through college. I quit my job and went to work for their nonunion competitor Big Y located less than a mile way, doing the same job, for 25 cents more on the hour. Whether you care to believe it or not, it's the truth.
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