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No, it's not. No matter how many times you repeat this nonsense, it's not "theft," so stop reasoning like a child. Theft is clearly intended to prevent individuals or companies from taking from other individuals or groups of people. From the times of antiquity, however, law and order, being widely regarded as generally necessary to preserve the health, prosperity, and rights of all people, have been viewed as necessary evils, and it has been generally understood that governments need to be funded. It's no more "theft" than it is when your health spa charges you annual dues to use their equipment. I know you'll surely tell me that you have no choice, whereas you do with your patronage of private enterprise. But actually, that's not true; you do have a choice. If you don't like paying twice the rate of everyone else in this society, you're free to move to move to a society where you'll pay a fraction of the taxes. The problem is, you'll probably only earn a fraction of the income.
No .. you stop parroting propagandistic nonsense like a feathered animal.
In the words of our founding fathers, and in decisions of courts and justices .. some of which have been presented here for your review and enlightenment ... for which you insist on ignoring at your own expense, it is destructive to a free society to lay tax upon a right, which needs no permission to exercise, nor duty to pay. Such are the territory of privileges, not rights.
That you have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, granted by your creator is the essential foundation of our very existence as a nation, therefore no sane person would assume an inbuilt destructive mechanism would be sanctioned by it's founders, to lay tax upon a man's labor, for if he does not own his own labor outright, he owns nothing. And if he cannot live free of the theft of his labor at gun point, the gun is held by a thief.
And the founders did not sanction such criminal conduct ... criminals, some 100+ years later, by subversion and deceit laid this fraud you keep flapping about.
I, and thinking people shall have none of your crackers, polly.
Last edited by GuyNTexas; 12-12-2012 at 07:01 PM..
Not on certain large projects. A lot of stuff that is useful would not have gotten done due to barriers to entry e.g. rural electrification and full deregulation would be an economic catastrophy because things would just end up becoming vertically and horizontally integrated.
Furthermore deregulation has the effect of usually decreasing transparancy as can be seen by the California energy crisis and the stock market prior to the SEC requirements of reporting by public companies.
The problem is there is confusion between deregulation and "less regulation"...
The financial sector has never been "deregulated", the regulations have just been shuffled around. But the problems are the regulations themselves. The last 100 years of regulations and the attempt of deregulation have shown that the State is simply inefficient and will abuse it's power.
The energy crisis of California would have never happened if the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act never deregulated part of the banking sector and left the rest of the regulatory infrastructure intact.
There would have never been reckless loans, encouraged by the government, handed out by Citigroup to Enron.
The problem is there is confusion between deregulation and "less regulation"...
The financial sector has never been "deregulated", the regulations have just been shuffled around. But the problems are the regulations themselves. The last 100 years of regulations and the attempt of deregulation have shown that the State is simply inefficient and will abuse it's power.
The energy crisis of California would have never happened if the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act never deregulated part of the banking sector and left the rest of the regulatory infrastructure intact.
There would have never been reckless loans, encouraged by the government, handed out by Citigroup to Enron.
Regulation means nothing if our government keeps taking special interest banking money. The state cannot regulate any industry without destroying it.
Government cannot regulate an industry that owns it. It can only serve that industry, and not the people to which government was properly commanded under our laws, to serve.
The problem is there is confusion between deregulation and "less regulation"...
The financial sector has never been "deregulated", the regulations have just been shuffled around. But the problems are the regulations themselves. The last 100 years of regulations and the attempt of deregulation have shown that the State is simply inefficient and will abuse it's power.
The energy crisis of California would have never happened if the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act never deregulated part of the banking sector and left the rest of the regulatory infrastructure intact.
There would have never been reckless loans, encouraged by the government, handed out by Citigroup to Enron.
Regulation means nothing if our government keeps taking special interest banking money. The state cannot regulate any industry without destroying it.
So in essence what you are saying is that things are bad with less regulation and as a result we should have no regulation? That is absurd. Aside from that with no regulation you get vertical and horizontal integration which makes things much, much less transparent and inefficient.
They have no real right to confiscate property and income. The seeds of insurrection have been sewn by the tyranny of the dependent class. Let it grow.
So in essence what you are saying is that things are bad with less regulation and as a result we should have no regulation? That is absurd. Aside from that with no regulation you get vertical and horizontal integration which makes things much, much less transparent and inefficient.
Without false barriers of entry, and with fair competition, horizontal integration would be irrelevant because there would be, simply, much more entry (competition) into the market.
Regulations like patents, for example, allow companies to increase their reach so much that by the time a competing product enters the market they can be leveraged and swallowed up. This would be drastically reduced under a true free market.
Businesses would be left to die under nothing but their own devices.
As far as vertical integration, it would also be irrelevant because every competing entity would have the same resources to become self sufficient. In fact, predatory pricing is the biggest culprit of vertical integration and our government is the biggest enabler of this.
Last edited by Hot_Handz; 12-12-2012 at 08:05 PM..
Government cannot regulate an industry that owns it. It can only serve that industry, and not the people to which government was properly commanded under our laws, to serve.
Such regulation is an illusion.
But bureaucracy is very real.
At what point can you not discern industry/corporation from government? Corporations want this type of relationship because the state is the force. A corporation cannot hold a gun to peoples head.
No .. you stop parroting propagandistic nonsense like a feathered animal.
In the words of our founding fathers, and in decisions of courts and justices .. some of which have been presented here for your review and enlightenment ... for which you insist on ignoring at your own expense, it is destructive to a free society to lay tax upon a right, which needs no permission to exercise, nor duty to pay. Such are the territory of privileges, not rights.
That you have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, granted by your creator is the essential foundation of our very existence as a nation, therefore no sane person would assume an inbuilt destructive mechanism would be sanctioned by it's founders, to lay tax upon a man's labor, for if he does not own his own labor outright, he owns nothing. And if he cannot live free of the theft of his labor at gun point, the gun is held by a thief.
And the founders did not sanction such criminal conduct ... criminals, some 100+ years later, by subversion and deceit laid this fraud you keep flapping about.
I, and thinking people shall have none of your crackers, polly.
It's ironic that you're accusing me of propaganda, when in fact, you're making vague references to propaganda. The Declaration of Independence, as beautifully written as it was, was propaganda; the Constitution, however, is law. The Constitution is the law of the land. You wanna know why the Constitution was written? In large part to have national powers to lay and collect taxes among the states. Again, not propaganda, but law of the land, as written by the same people who wrote the propaganda you're referencing.
Besides that, we have the historical record, and it shows that all civilizations have a keen interest in laying and collecting taxes. It's just generally accepted as the price of membership to whichever nation you belong to. Don't like it? Go somewhere else then.
But we are NOT a representative democracy .. we are a constitutional republic, governed by laws, not men and majorities.
Oh sheet, now you're just flat out talking straight out of your @ss.
It's a democratic republic. There are courts and presidential powers in place to make sure that the majorities don't go to excess, but unfortunately for you, none of these institutions are going to come to your rescue, as they happen to be in agreement with the majority of people.
Deal with it. Learn to cope. Or retire in Costa Rica.
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