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Old 12-21-2012, 05:15 PM
 
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....and half the guns in the world are owned by Americans.

Every two weeks we bury a child from gun violence.

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Media
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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There are 11,000 gun murders in America each year. There are 45,000 auto deaths each year in America. There are 1,000,000 abortion murders in America each year.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:18 PM
 
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A lot of folks who have never been in war, can't seem to understand how life draining bullets are.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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There are 11000 gun murders in America each year. There are 1,000,000 abortion murders in America each year.
Let's not do NOTHING by stymying any meaningful change by harping on arguments around apples and oranges. There are murders of all kind all over the world every day. If you want to work against abortion or unjust wars or child hunger/death due to big powerful ag with your legislators, that would be commendable. Gun control is a separate issue.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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There are 11,000 gun murders in America each year. There are 45,000 auto deaths each year in America. There are 1,000,000 abortion murders in America each year.
Half of those murders are suicides.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Let's not do NOTHING by stymying any meaningful change by harping on arguments around apples and oranges. There are murders of all kind all over the world every day. If you want to work against abortion or unjust wars or child hunger/death due to big powerful ag with your legislators, that would be commendable. Gun control is a separate issue.

The question is, what do you want to do about it?

No one wants people to die, and everyone wants to get rid of crime. In order to do so, you have to look at its causes. The knee-jerk reaction is always to look for a weapon, and guns are an easy target. But does getting rid of guns actually lower crime, or even murders? No. And that principle can be seen all over the world. Especially in Eastern-Europe, which has a long history of gun control, and higher murder rates than the United States. They just use things other than guns to kill each other.

To understand how to stop crime, you have to understand its causes. If you look at America, crime rates were much lower in the distant past than they are today, and people were far more likely to own a gun in those days than they are now. Crime rates exploded during the 1950's and 1960's, and rose heavily all the way into the 1990's.


"In 2007, 84 percent of African-American gun deaths were from homicide... In 2007, 68 percent of Hispanic-American gun deaths were from homicide... In 2007, African-Americans represented 13 percent of the population yet accounted for 49 percent of all homicide victims... In 2007, 80 percent of gun deaths among Whites were from suicide."

Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence : Race/Ethnicity


The truth is, crime and murder are cultural problems. You aren't going to fix America by getting rid of guns. In fact, most studies prove that guns lower crime rates, or at minimum have no effect.

What we need to focus on is our violent culture. What we need to do is find out what made crime go up so heavily in the 1960's, and reverse it. And I find most of the fault of today's crime rate, to be consequences of policy changes in the 1960's, which led to greater hostility between whites and blacks, welfare dependence, and destruction of families. If we had the same social structure that we had in the 1950's, our crime rate simply wouldn't be anywhere near as high as it is today.

The only alternative to fixing our culture, would be to turn this country into a police-state. Which is largely what they did in New York City, where they put cops everywhere.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:41 PM
 
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Let's not do NOTHING by stymying any meaningful change by harping on arguments around apples and oranges. There are murders of all kind all over the world every day. If you want to work against abortion or unjust wars or child hunger/death due to big powerful ag with your legislators, that would be commendable. Gun control is a separate issue.
Did I hit a nerve?
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:45 PM
 
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The question is, what do you want to do about it?
What I want to do is ban any weapon that allows many rounds of munition to be fired quickly. Short of that, I want every registered gun owner to pay (through a high annual tax of some kind, perhaps property tax) to kick in to their municipality to pay for armed police in every school. How would that work on a campus of many buildings spread out over acres, or at a mall? It wouldn't. Back to Square One. What now. All I know is that this is TERRORISM. Whatever happened to HOMELAND SECURITY???
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:49 PM
 
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Let's not do NOTHING by stymying any meaningful change by harping on arguments around apples and oranges. There are murders of all kind all over the world every day. If you want to work against abortion or unjust wars or child hunger/death due to big powerful ag with your legislators, that would be commendable. Gun control is a separate issue.
They will come up with their false equivalencies time and time again.

I'm still waiting for the "10,000 people die on the toilet each year. Let's ban toilets.....har, har, har?"
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:52 PM
 
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They will come up with their false equivalencies time and time again.

I'm still waiting for the "10,000 people die on the toilet each year. Let's ban toilets.....har, har, har?"
I think it has more to do with the toilet paper. It's WAY more distracting.
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