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Really? What is their leverage: we're gonna shut down the government if we don't get what we want? We're gonna default on the US debt, destroy the country's economy along with that of the rest of the world? Those are some pretty good cards, huh? LOL. I don't give Obama any credit for this but the Reps got themselves into a real pickle when they refused to follow through on the "Grand Bargain" they negotiated with Obama a couple years ago.
Hey Ponderosa,
A Little known or understood constitutional fact. Debt Service is Auto Pay. Neither the Executive or Legislative Branches can stop debt payments.
Once something passes to Debt, it is paid first before all othe expenses. The real reason a government shutdown is problematic, all WIPS, Contracts, Federal Banking and Govt. Payroll are frozen during shutdowns.
Since the Fed is such a large employer and is involved in too many day to day operations a shutdown impacts millions of people, services and families.
That is why true conservatives want the Government Shutdown. As it occured in the 90's, a shutdown exposes everything we have gotten ourselves involved in.
You can't be the backer of the World Currency if you are Shutdown. Of course, we were never meant to be the backer of the World Currency.
We, ( the Federal Government) is the definition of "Too Big to Fail". Hence the reason we are in such a mess. Since 1993, our Federal Government has been involved with "Cooking the books". Messing around and regulating interest rates. It all came to a head after 9/11.
Everyone above 30 should remember the Clinton surplus, preceded by the Clinton Recession. Ask yourself, "How do you go from recession to surplus in a span of 6 years?"
GWB attempted the same slight of hand after 9/11, instead of letting reality take its course, we all had access to inflated, low interest money and at least 75 million people in America and many more throughout the world went insane.
The longer we allow our politicians to "Cook the Books" the greater the correction is going to be. As it is now, we can't pay off 16Trillion. This is now generational economics. The longer we let Washington get away with it our "Way of life" disappears, they will have to subjugate our children just to have money to spend.
In 10 years we will be living with 55% or greater income taxes. There will be no other way.
They want another "Bubble". They are counting on "The Next Big Thing". A huge economic jump covers up their poor accounting and overspending. "Revenue Erases All"
Do you remember when $100 was a lot of money?
Once upon a time if you made $100 a day you were doing well. Pre 1950, $39,000 for a house was a Mansion.
What changed?
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I thought you'd cop out.. expect no less from union thugs. The government is for all. The government is being irresponsible for risking tax payer money to bail out thugs. It's unethical and again, it's theft. And heck no, they didnt make any money, that's bs. Just like the spending cuts were future cuts.
No tax payers signed a contract with you. Civil society? How civil when unions get to rape the tax payers - is that civi?
I dont give a damn about governors and transmission, i do know unions deserve to be treated like the thugs they are.
We should reverse the issue to see how much you freaking uniond like civility, you pay taxes to keep tax payers happy. How about that for civil?
I have no answers for your hostile stupidity. I concede....just blame everything on Obama and you'll be content with your life.
I have no answers for your hostile stupidity. I concede....just blame everything on Obama and you'll be content with your life.
Geez..
No... i concede. Where did i mention Obama? If fairness, which the government swor to upheld, is hostility, than by all means i will be hostile against criminals passing as victims when they are really the perpetrators.
I have no issue with private unions and correctly managed public unions.
I have a major issue with entrenched public unions that hold the population hostage in mono-party systems....like Chicago.
Let me get this, you are for correctly managed extortion? Yes...
The government is by all and for all. You cannot have 'special' people and 'non-special' people.
The special people get to sleep with politicians for their votes. Misterously, this ends up in higher wages for unions and higher taxes for the 'non-special' people. Maybe we should bring slavery back, as a tax payer, that would make me feel more in company.
The "tax increases" you speak of are expiring policies.
I always act as though gas is 3.99 and literally save the 70 cents per gallon when it goes down to 3.29. We have been investing the money we "gained" from the payroll tax cuts in a savings account also.
Perhaps what we are learning is that some of you just aren't that good with your money.
I understand your argument, and as far as being good with money, my wife would tell you I am good at hiding it from her. Any primary earner who is married probably has the same issue, currently I have less to hide.
These were expiring policies in BO,s first term also, BO is the one who reduced SUTA, not Bush.
I am squarely in the middle class, I own a business however that will continue to provide for my family in perpetuity. And I am an independent.
With that said, we were promised on both sides no tax increases. Aside from paying more SUTA, I will pay more Capital Gains, if I were to die, my family looses 40% of my wealth.
How is any of this good for the people? And why is it such a bad thing to decrease spending, work within a budget and get out of people's lives?
The whole purpose of all of us meeting here is to debate......
If we can do that, we could learn from each other. HOWEVER
Oh Man, Barack really showed us conservatives up! We should all bask in the Great Ones Glory!
Can I get another 6 Trillion, please sir?
In case your keeping score, Zinger, we are all screwed.
Lets give him a third term! Food Stamps for everyone! Ya Hoooo!
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