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The bill will require venues (businesses, shopping malls, libraries, etc) that chose not allow patrons to have guns on the premise to hire armed guards. They will have to hire 1 armed guard for every 50 people the venue can accommodate.
Wow! Talk about stupid big government! What ever happened to personal responsibilities? I guess that's only when the democrats do something like universal health coverage.
Not a single conservative is against someone like you having health insurance. Frankly, we couldn't care less, period. Get insurance, if you want it so badly. Nobody is stopping you.
Why, oh why are liberals so dumb that they can't understand the most simple of things? Is it genetic? Unfortunately, with today's innept, unionized education system, people aren't getting smarter.
I feel sorry for what America will be in the coming years.
Insurance is not a need it's a necessity and yes many cons are against people getting health care especially when it comes to those who cannot afford it. Why were so many cons/republicans against the public option ? Not that obama seemed all that enthusiastic about it considering how quickly he gave in to the screeching of the right about death panels when we have those already and they are called insurance companies.
Insurance is not a need it's a necessity and yes many cons are against people getting health care especially when it comes to those who cannot afford it. Why were so many cons/republicans against the public option ? Not that obama seemed all that enthusiastic about it considering how quickly he gave in to the screeching of the right about death panels when we have those already and they are called insurance companies.
Seriously? You are going to slam one side for something you seem to be agreeing neither side was really interested in?
Seriously? You are going to slam one side for something you seem to be agreeing neither side was really interested in?
As far as politicians go I don't think either side really cared NOW as far as constituents go I think many wanted that option. And I think there were some democrats who were in favor of it, but that's not the point the point is is that Dale was saying no conservative is against anyone having health insurance yet they were against it when they started up with the nonsense of "death panels" which is what we call insurance companies today. Dale said how your free to have whatever health insurance you want and what I said was "what if you can't afford it?" In that case they are certainly against it.
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Get insurance, if you want it so badly. Nobody is stopping you.
Seriously nobody really wants insurance but it's a need until we can get a public option or UHC than it is a need for now.
Right. Everyone packing heat doesn't make it safe, though. How many times have you walked into your local grocery store and wished there was an armed guard to protect you?
Right. Everyone packing heat doesn't make it safe, though. How many times have you walked into your local grocery store and wished there was an armed guard to protect you?
tell that to the dead bodies at the movies there in Co.
the real question is why would liberals be against guards
As far as politicians go I don't think either side really cared NOW as far as constituents go I think many wanted that option. And I think there were some democrats who were in favor of it, but that's not the point the point is is that Dale was saying no conservative is against anyone having health insurance yet they were against it when they started up with the nonsense of "death panels" which is what we call insurance companies today. Dale said how your free to have whatever health insurance you want and what I said was "what if you can't afford it?" In that case they are certainly against it.
First off I want to thank you for the rational reply devoid of name calling to better explain your position. It then allows for a decent conversation.
"Death panels" would cease to be an issue if politicians were willing to simply be honest. With any sort of insurance will there be things not covered? Yes. Is it possible that your 93 year old grandma won't get every thing that might inflict her covered? Yes. My actual concern is more that politicians would want everything conceivable covered.
Do I trust the government to not spend an extra $50,000 to extend grandma's life another two weeks? No.
I wish we would have done health care just as Obama promised to do it when he was campaigning. Both sides at the table with each side giving and taking with the end result then available for the country to read before it was voted on.
Instead we got the idiot twins of Pelosi and Reid to completely muck the entire thing up. I think and I will note that I can not speak for anyone else but I think most who are against the idea of federal health care simply do not trust the government in these matters and the government does live up to that reputation.
In WV we have the CHIPS program that covers all low income kids and pregnant women. It is paid for though. We are not in massive debt. It's well run as far as I have been able to determine. It doesn't have costs that are influenced by politicians buying votes. Why should we give that up for the mess that became Obamacare?
Is there a group that believes that people should be responsible for themselves in nearly all matters? Yes there is. IMO it is a bit shortsighted but no more so than the group that believes the government owes them nearly everything.
First off I want to thank you for the rational reply devoid of name calling to better explain your position. It then allows for a decent conversation.
"Death panels" would cease to be an issue if politicians were willing to simply be honest. With any sort of insurance will there be things not covered? Yes. Is it possible that your 93 year old grandma won't get every thing that might inflict her covered? Yes. My actual concern is more that politicians would want everything conceivable covered.
Do I trust the government to not spend an extra $50,000 to extend grandma's life another two weeks? No.
I wish we would have done health care just as Obama promised to do it when he was campaigning. Both sides at the table with each side giving and taking with the end result then available for the country to read before it was voted on.
Instead we got the idiot twins of Pelosi and Reid to completely muck the entire thing up. I think and I will note that I can not speak for anyone else but I think most who are against the idea of federal health care simply do not trust the government in these matters and the government does live up to that reputation.
In WV we have the CHIPS program that covers all low income kids and pregnant women. It is paid for though. We are not in massive debt. It's well run as far as I have been able to determine. It doesn't have costs that are influenced by politicians buying votes. Why should we give that up for the mess that became Obamacare?
Is there a group that believes that people should be responsible for themselves in nearly all matters? Yes there is. IMO it is a bit shortsighted but no more so than the group that believes the government owes them nearly everything.
No problem I do try to be rational when I can and am not in a miserable mood, I wish we would have done healthcare the way obama first promised it as well but I feel that he was never really serious as can be seen by nearly every other thing he has put through which is usually some old dated republican policy that he just revives and calls it his. I would trust the government more If I could trust my fellow Americans not to be stupid and fall for catchy slogans or sound bites. I think the government would run smoother if we had a serious reform of how our politicians get money. I am against lobbying, I am against special interests whether they be union or not. As far as I see the reason why obama AND many of the democrats failed to put through the much better and fiscally responsible Single payer HC plan was simply because they are all beholden to the insurance companies.
I no longer feel our politicians work for us and that is both dem and republican they are all prostitutes it's just that these prostitutes have money and power and can do harm to everyone on a grander scale. I find it pathetic what we as a country have come to which is why I no longer read the news paper and barely if at all watch tv.
why would liberals be against having guards.......hmmmm
Because it's mandatory.
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I do try to be rational when I can and am not in a miserable mood, I wish we would have done healthcare the way obama first promised it as well but I feel that he was never really serious as can be seen by nearly every other thing he has put through which is usually some old dated republican policy that he just revives and calls it his. I would trust the government more If I could trust my fellow Americans not to be stupid and fall for catchy slogans or sound bites. I think the government would run smoother if we had a serious reform of how our politicians get money. I am against lobbying, I am against special interests whether they be union or not. As far as I see the reason why obama AND many of the democrats failed to put through the much better and fiscally responsible Single payer HC plan was simply because they are all beholden to the insurance companies. 