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Old 02-22-2013, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Taxing poor people further into poverty is fair?
I didn't say that. I said taxing everyone at the same rate is fair.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:55 AM
 
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How do you figure?

It's fair IF property owners are free to sell the waitress a home she can afford to buy.

If property owners are not free to sell the waitress a home she can afford to buy, government has artificially inflated her cost of living and effectively imposed on her a regulatory tax which should be credited against the 'flat' rate you want her to pay.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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I didn't say that. I said taxing everyone at the same rate is fair.

You didn't offer any starting point below which income should not be taxed at the same rate.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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So taxing someone who makes minimum wage and someone who is a billionaire hedge fund manager at the same rate is "fair?"

Please make that a GOP sales pitch in 2014. We'll enjoy taking the House back.
Yes. Taxing everyone at the same rate is fair. And thanks for being unable to disprove that taxing everyone at the same rate is fair. It makes me feel good that I've finally stumped you.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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You didn't offer any starting point below which income should not be taxed at the same rate.
That's because everyone will be taxed at the same rate.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The immediate effect would be to reduce disposable income of working poor and lower middle class people by 15% or more depending on what credits they were taking, while dramatically increasing net income for the very rich. The hit would be so severe it would render millions of families unable to buy enough food, or pay the rent or the light bill. It would be better to be on public assistance than to work so millions of them would flood the welfare rolls and turn to crime to make ends meet.

I am not sure what the rich would do with their landfall - maybe give it to charity to help with the third world style poverty that would spread across the land. Right, LOL..
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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So taxing someone who makes minimum wage and someone who is a billionaire hedge fund manager at the same rate is "fair?"

Please make that a GOP sales pitch in 2014. We'll enjoy taking the House back.
OMG, you seriously don't get it, do you? It would eliminate all tax breaks and deductions.

It's not rocket science. Well............for some, it is.

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That's because everyone will be taxed at the same rate.
You're fighting a losing argument. You can't fix stupid, you know!
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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The immediate effect would be to reduce disposable income of working poor and lower middle class people by 15% or more depending on what credits they were taking, while dramatically increasing net income for the very rich. The hit would be so severe it would render millions of families unable to buy enough food, or pay the rent or the light bulb. It would be better to be on public assistance than to work so millions of them would flood the welfare rolls and turn to crime to make ends meet.

I am not sure what the rich would do with their landfall - maybe give it to charity to help with the third world style poverty that would spread across the land. Right, LOL..

Your scare tactics are ridiculous. Then again, fear-mongering is one of the staples of liberalism.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:03 AM
 
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I'm all for this concept with some changes. I don't have a problem with those just trying to start off in life not paying as much as those who are doing better.

I agree completely that income should be taxed as income period. No separate rates for the guy making his money sitting at his computer making trades and the guy sitting at his computer inputing production figures.

That said I would make everyone invested and my plan would make the tax you pay a flat percentage of your income but I would graduate it.

These numbers are simply off the top of my head for example sake.

$0-$20,000 2%
$20-50,000 10%
50-100,00 15 %

Etc. up to a maximum somewhere.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:04 AM
 
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You need to change your wording since you're not actually wanting it to be "fair"
Use the correct wording and make that a DEM sales pitch in 2014. Then we're back at a stalemate.

I think both parties are full of crap.

My tax plan imposes a universal minimum tax to ensure everyone pays something then taxes discretionary income at a flat rate.
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