*** Republicans, will you ever loosen up on social issues so I can vote for you? (ethical, drugs)

[C. Maurio]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

I consider myself socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I tend to vote for Democrats because I hate Republicans stance on social issues.

Will there be a day when Republicans will focus solely on fiscal and economic policy and simply say, social issues can be decided at the state level?

I think many Obama supporters would switch sides if Republicans could ease up a bit.

Fiscal issues are worse with Republicans. They have wanted for decades to destroy unions, Social Security, Medicare and a host of other things good for working people.

[FabianS]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

I am talking about abortion, contraception, stem cell research, gay rights, anti-discrimination laws etc. Currently, at least Republican politicians are not in favor for these social issues. I personally cannot vote for a candidate that doesn't believe in allowing women to choose what to do with their bodies, letting people love who they want or allowing scientists to do their thing so we can compete with the rest of the world.

Use your BRAIN bmw. Observe. Think. How many Republicans do you see anywhere on the internet screaming that contraception should be illegal? Or that abortion in the case of rape should be illegal?

Use your brain to discern the media/Democrat's bull**** caricature from what the Republican party actually stands for.

Do you really believe that those rock-hard arch-conservative firebrands at the top of the Republican party like Lindsay Graham are going to outlaw contraception? This is the stuff that keeps you up at night? Bush had 8 years to turn America into a Evangelical Christian KKK-concentration camp from hell yet strangely we are now debating whether abortions should be provided completely free of charge by the government...

Sorry but if every stupid thing an urban left-wing Democrat said was shoved in your face you wouldn't want to vote for them either.

Some urban Democrats say stupid things. Some rural Republicans say stupid things. Strangely it's only the stupid Republican sound bites that get shoved in our faces for weeks by talk shows and the MSM.

Voting Republican means learning not to care what the Rosy O'Donnell/Jon Stewart's in the media say about your side. If the idea of putting your country's health before Rosy's snarky cupcake burps gives you sweaty chills then please don't bother.

[Aldous9]

Originally Posted by FabianS

Use your BRAIN bmw. Observe. Think. How many Republicans do you see anywhere on the internet screaming that contraception should be illegal? Or that abortion in the case of rape should be illegal?

Use your brain to discern the media/Democrat's bull**** caricature from what the Republican party actually stands for.

Do you really believe that those rock-hard arch-conservative firebrands at the top of the Republican party like Lindsay Graham are going to outlaw contraception? This is the stuff that keeps you up at night? Bush had 8 years to turn America into a Evangelical Christian KKK-concentration camp from hell yet strangely we are now debating whether abortions should be provided completely free of charge by the government...

Sorry but if every stupid thing an urban left-wing Democrat said was shoved in your face you wouldn't want to vote for them either.

Some urban Democrats say stupid things. Some rural Republicans say stupid things. Strangely it's only the stupid Republican sound bites that get shoved in our faces for weeks by talk shows and the MSM.

Voting Republican means learning not to care what the Rosy O'Donnell/Jon Stewart's in the media say about your side. If the idea of putting your country's health before Rosy's snarky cupcake burps gives you sweaty chills then please don't bother.

Republican members of congress believe it should be the right of an employer to remove contraception coverage from a woman's insurance policy.

Do you deny this?

[trlhiker]

As long as the religious right owns the GOP, they will never loosen up on social issues.

[claudhopper]

Originally Posted by Ivorytickler

Most republicans will tell you that social issues should be decided at the state level. We object to the feds getting involved in what goes on in our back yard. It's the democrats who push social agendas down from the federal level to the state level.

Personally, I'd like to see social programs eliminated. Let communities take care of their own and charities step in where communities can't. Everything is more expensive when the feds get involved.

^^^ I like the way you think.
And, as phil said, you can't be socially liberal and fiscally responsible, that is an oxymoron.
Doesn't anybody care about peace anymore? Where did the anti-war crowd go?

[claudhopper]

Originally Posted by Aldous9

Republican members of congress believe it should be the right of an employer to remove contraception coverage from a woman's insurance policy.

Do you deny this?

What female can't afford her own birth control? The pill is very cheap. If she has an employer, I assume she receives a paycheck.
What's really cheap is closing your legs, that costs nothing. Or you can buy some condoms. When did women lose the ability to control themselves? When did women lose the ability to be responsible for their own bodies? I thought you were empowered now.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by claudhopper

What female can't afford her own birth control? The pill is very cheap. If she has an employer, I assume she receives a paycheck.
What's really cheap is closing your legs, that costs nothing. Or you can buy some condoms. When did women lose the ability to control themselves? When did women lose the ability to be responsible for their own bodies? I thought you were empowered now.

So you are saying she cant use her pay check to get birth control in a bundle package ?

[kidkaos2]

Originally Posted by softblueyz

Be real. The democrats AND the republicans have created the situation that this country is in, more so the Republicans. Republicans now own crony capitalism.

You say to "be real" and then say Republicans own crony capitalism. Follow your own advice. GM, GE, TARP (Obama didn't propose it in the first place but he did make speeches in favor of it), Solyndra. Be real.

Also I said what "we" want, meaning limited goverment constitition originalist fiscal conservatives. It was not meant to apply to establishment Republicans. The point of my post was to differentiate "us" from "them". With them being Bush, Boehner, McCain, etc. I disliked Romney too - even though I voted for him once he got the nomination because I didn't want Obama re-elected, I did not support Romney's nomination in the first place. I'd rather a former CEO of Bain Capital be in the White House than a former community organizer be in the White House, but if I really had the choice I wouldn't want either one of them there.

It would be nice to get people off of government programs, but the Republicans are making it impossible.

And Democrats are also making it impossible by opposing reforms to the programs. Whenever they are attempted to be made into a "hand up" instead of a "hand out" Democrats oppose it. Although Clinton went along with some welfare reforms, it wasn't because he supported them.

While they are screaming about lazy Americans not working and getting off of programs, they continue to favor outsourcing, bank deregulation, tax breaks and loopholes for corporations that do business outside the US, they are against giving corporations given tax credits that bring jobs back to the US.

The two are not related. Yes they oppose people on welfare and don't oppose corporations doing business outside the US. What point does that make exactly? Normally when you say people do one thing at the same time as they do another, it's to point out hypocrisy. But I don't see any hypocrisy there.

They vote against any initiative that Obama tries to make to do just that. The longer they continue to oppose anything and everything that Obama proposes, the more people are going to rely on government. Obama is going to have to keep throwing a life preserver to people who are drowning, while the republicans keep throwing them an anchor.

Uh, no. This is just your partisan spin of events to support your opinion. Obama has made it clear in exactly so many words that he supports redistribution of wealth. Don't try to claim he's just a free market guy forced to help poor people to save them from the evil Republicans. That doesn't wash. He has said flat out that redistributing wealth is a good thing, and said he wants to raise taxes even if that lowers revenue because it is fair. Thinking it is good to redistribute wealth and raising taxes purely for fairness are not the actions of a guy interested in encouraging people to work. They are the actions of a guy interested in government control of the economy.

The Republicans don't want to change what benefits them and and will continue to hurt the people and this country.

Which is exactly what the Democrats want too. So there's really no difference. Democrats cancelled a school voucher program that was working and popular, for example. They hurt kids in order to benefit the teacher unions that gave them campaign contributions. So don't go all judgmental on the Republicans and ignore the Democrats.

Republicans are not winning people over and I think even some republicans are waking up to this. If they continue on the same path that they have been on for the past four years (which is more about Obama and not government itself) they stand a snowball's chance in hell in 2016.

Yes it is more about Obama than about government itself. I agree. People are way partisan.

The not having a chance in 2016 may or may not be true. This is 2013. That's a long time from now. The people who talk like you do have convenient amnesia about the 2010 election. The Republicans absolutely smashed the Democrats in that election, while the Democrats barely eked out a victory in 2012. You guys try to create some image of an inevitable invincible Democrat future, but reality doesn't support your assertions. You lose 100 seats in 2010, then win 2012 but only by 2% and you think you're the masters of the world. Sorry, but it ain't so.

[claudhopper]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

So you are saying she cant use her pay check to get birth control in a bundle package ?

Having the insurance co. pay for her contraception is not a right!!! When did women become so damn helpless? Do you seem men making demands that their employer provide for condoms? That would be stupid, just as stupid as insurance providing Viagra or whatever pill they're popping these days. Dependency is epidemic.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by claudhopper

Having the insurance co. pay for her contraception is not a right!!! When did women become so damn helpless? Do you seem men making demands that their employer provide for condoms? That would be stupid, just as stupid as insurance providing Viagra or whatever pill they're popping these days. Dependency is epidemic.

regardless of if it is a right or not( thats your opinion), it is offered. So you and the others on this forum who responded to that comment are arguing that she can not use her own money to pay for birth control simply because you dont like the specific way she is doing it, despite it not affecting you at all.

You are trying to use your own morals to rule others.